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Old 03-08-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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What do you fear ? All I hear is that there is a small fringe radical right that want this.

Amendments to state constitutions are put to the voters.
If the majority of voters are pro-choice, pro-abortion as most say, then there is nothing to fear.

What do you fear ? Do you think ultra-right religious radicals are the majority ?
Actually, I'm moderately pro life, and I have mixed feelings on the difference between very early abortions and ones performed at a later stage. The personhood amendments go off the deep end--since life is declared at the moment of fertilization, it also bans treatment for an ectopic pregnancy (you have to kill the fetus to save the mother), in vitro fertilization, and abortions in case of rape, incest and saving the life of the mother. As I said before, it would also ban the IUD and the pill.

Do voters have the right to say whether or not I live or die if I have an ectopic pregnancy, or organ failure during a pregnancy, or do I have the constitutional rights to make private health care decisions regarding my own body? There's a reason for the supreme court--our country isn't run by majority rule if it tries to supersede the constitution.

I'm not worried about the average voter supporting a personhood amendment--they're crazy, and they are consistently shot down--but the fact that that a faction of the R party proposes this stuff does really concern me as a much more moderate republican and a voter. I'm absolutely not going to vote for a candidate who has a record of supporting this stuff just because they have an (R) by their name.

EDIT--AND for the record, the trans vaginal ultra sound bill in Virginia had nearly 100% R support before the governor backed down on supporting it. The fringe radicals are taking over the party
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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I will ask you for the THIRD time.

WHY SHOULD VIAGRA BE COVERED AND NOT BC?

{scared to answer or what?}
Insurance companies shouldn't be forced to cover either of them.

I am moderate, I will probably vote for Obama, but I disagree with a lot of the left-wingers on this thread. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:42 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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I wish folks were this outraged over lacking senior medical coverage..like hearing aids, pacemakers, high blood pressure/heart medications that cost them hundreds per month while they are on fixed income.
No one seems to care about that but damn..give those young folks free BC .
Actuall I was denied insurance because of high BP. Never mind that it costs $5/ month which I gladly pay out of pocket. That was BEFORE Obama's health care bill. Now I have affordable coverage. And yes I still pay the lousy $5/month.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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Apparently women don't care about the rights in the silly constitution. Where does it say women have a right to BC or Abortion?
The right to bear arms actually comes from an amendment to the Constitution. Women's reproductive rights come from other amendments. Can't remember them all offhand, but one is the Equal Protection Clause from the 14th Amendment. If a remember correctly, in 1972 it was ruled that married couples could legally use contraception, and because of that clause in the 14th amendment, all people regardless of marital status were granted the right to use birth control.

You can look up Roe v. Wade to learn about abortion rights.

The bottom line is that our Constitution, right in the very first line, promotes the idea of personal liberty and general welfare. Guns rights fall under this and so does birth control and abortion.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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Ummmm.....really.....you don't know what a woman's "right to choose" refers to?

I will enlighten you.....abortion. A woman's right to choose abortion is constantly under attack by the Republican Party.

Now, you answer me, why should Viagra be covered by insurance and not BC?
The answer to your question is the FEDS declared Viagra a medicine, BC is not. THAT IS WHY!
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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The right to bear arms actually comes from an amendment to the Constitution. Women's reproductive rights come from other amendments. Can't remember them all offhand, but one is the Equal Protection Clause from the 14th Amendment. If a remember correctly, in 1972 it was ruled that married couples could legally use contraception, and because of that clause in the 14th amendment, all people regardless of marital status were granted the right to use birth control.

You can look up Roe v. Wade to learn about abortion rights.

The bottom line is that our Constitution, right in the very first line, promotes the idea of personal liberty and general welfare. Guns rights fall under this and so does birth control and abortion.
The right to USE contraception is not the same as the right to contraception.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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And who is proposing reversing abortion ?
A woman can still go out and have abortions, as many as she wants.

Which Repub Presidential candidate is proposing reversing the abortion ruling that is scaring you so much ?

BC is covered by insurance..just not 100%. You had the copay before..that is the issue now.
Yet is wasn't an issue before Obamacare.
I think you are being disingenuous.

You live in Texas, you are well aware that many women can't go out and have abortions, as many as they want. The strategy to limit access to abortion is very present in Texas. There are parts of Texas where a woman has to travel for hours to reach an abortion provider. The point of that is to keep women who are most vulnerable in our society, women who are poor and young, from being able to abort their children. Young women and poor women are the women who are most likely to work hourly, who don't get paid for sick days or personal days, and who cannot afford to travel to Dallas or Houston for an abortion. These are the same women that many conservatives condemn for having children they can't afford. And yet trying to assure that these same women can get birth control, not only for its contraceptive purposes, but also because these women have health issues where birth control is the cheapest and most efficacious treatment (for instance to control endemetriosis which if left untreated can eventually lead to sterility), leads to the question, why? Why would someone want to deny another person the right to make decisions about a person's reproductive health, in consultation with her doctor, privately and confidentially?
If men were denied the right to privacy with their doctor, they would be outraged. And yet that's what is at stake here, a woman's health, and her ability to privately consult with her doctor, and make the choices that are best for her.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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The answer to your question is the FEDS declared Viagra a medicine, BC is not. THAT IS WHY!

Where did you come up with that one? Why don't you show us some documentation on where that declaration was made?
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think you are being disingenuous.

You live in Texas, you are well aware that many women can't go out and have abortions, as many as they want. The strategy to limit access to abortion is very present in Texas. There are parts of Texas where a woman has to travel for hours to reach an abortion provider. The point of that is to keep women who are most vulnerable in our society, women who are poor and young, from being able to abort their children. Young women and poor women are the women who are most likely to work hourly, who don't get paid for sick days or personal days, and who cannot afford to travel to Dallas or Houston for an abortion. These are the same women that many conservatives condemn for having children they can't afford. And yet trying to assure that these same women can get birth control, not only for its contraceptive purposes, but also because these women have health issues where birth control is the cheapest and most efficacious treatment (for instance to control endemetriosis which if left untreated can eventually lead to sterility), leads to the question, why? Why would someone want to deny another person the right to make decisions about a person's reproductive health, in consultation with her doctor, privately and confidentially?
If men were denied the right to privacy with their doctor, they would be outraged. And yet that's what is at stake here, a woman's health, and her ability to privately consult with her doctor, and make the choices that are best for her.
A little extreme there..only Dallas or Houston perform abortions in Texas ?

As I posted in another thread..personal experience..my son (20) has a friend who has had 3 abortions in the past 4 years. She is 20 and didn't have to travel to either Houston or Dallas for the procedure.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The answer to your question is the FEDS declared Viagra a medicine, BC is not. THAT IS WHY!
If the Pill is not a medicine.....why do you have to go to a doctor and get a prescription for it?
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