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Why is it you need to say "severely beaten"? Probably because some news reports insisted Trayvon's knuckles were bleeding, while actually, he had a cut below one knuckle on his ring finger.
Severe beatings don't usually entail the victim getting up casually and telling someone to call because he's just shot someone. Severe beatings rarely are followed-up with the victim seen walking into the police station like nothing's ocurred. He had some blood, some cuts, nothing special. It was Not a Severe Beating. If you need that for some extra special purpose, fine. I have no desire or need to make it out to be anything more or less than what it looks like. He needed no special medical treatment.
The screams are weird. More like whines to my ear. It sounded to me like someone pleading for their life, not someone crying for help as they take a Severe Beating, as you put it.
Given the recent information that makes GZ and his wife look like something other than credible people, it would behoove anyone to take a closer look back at all evidence presented so far.
Would someone pleading for their life say 'help' ? Isn't don't shoot or nono, something like that the more pleading yell or to your ears, whine.
I wouldn't call the beating 'severe.' Others might. Injuries which unless he inflicted them himself as some believe, might have become severe.
Maybe b/c that's what he thought would get some attention!
Pay attention. The other post said it sounded like someone pleading for their life. Maybe I read things too literally. Yelling for help, drawing attention is a way to get yourself shot sooner, not 'pleading for your life.'
GZ isn't a smart guy, so maybe he did let tm yell for help for 18 seconds before shooting him.
As far as Zimmerman stopping yelling. Witnesses said that the yelling stopped the exact instant that the gun was fired. Now that Zimmerman has just shot somebody it would seem like a normal human being would still call for help............mostly because he had just shot somebody.
I always thought that was strange. When did GZ get the chance to scream? Was that before or after TM covered his nose and mouth? Why aren't there bite marks on TM hands? Didn't GZ get the chance to throw a single punch during this struggle? He had at least 50 pounds on him, but he was totally helpless.
When we first saw a photo of GZ, the media used an old mug shot and described him as 5'8" and 250 lbs, and his family didn't deny it, although his brother said in his TV interview that GZ was losing weight from all the stress. Even the more recent photo used later on (the one where he's smiling) showed a much heavier man than the one we saw in April when he was arrested. I'm guessing the food in jail isn't that great, but I've been wondering if, after the story hit the headlines, he was advised to stay slim so when this case finally goes to trial he doesn't look like a man who could have easily overpowered a 150 lb teenager without shooting him. Just speculating.
I think GZ was listed somewhere at around 170 or so. Hard to believe he lost that much so soon. The old pics of him were circa 2005 or so, very thuggish. LOL The pics of him at the PD right after being taken in after the shooting showed he wasn't that big a man.
I "believe" the autopsy listed TM as 71 inches and 158. Hardly huge, fairly wirey.
I believe many are focusing on the wrong things myself. Details of the crime scene, telephone statements, statements made to the police and subsequent statements. Those are more important IMO.
Frankly, the revelations regarding the defense fund and comments made to the court floored me. I can't imagine GZ and his wife lying to the judge like he did. A Huge No No. The phone calls just released were revealing as well.
Pay attention. The other post said it sounded like someone pleading for their life. Maybe I read things too literally. Yelling for help, drawing attention is a way to get yourself shot sooner, not 'pleading for your life.'
GZ isn't a smart guy, so maybe he did let tm yell for help for 18 seconds before shooting him.
One would think that Martin's screaming (if it was indeed Martin) would have occurred while he was trying to wrest the gun from Zimmerman or at least keep his body out of the line of fire.
The idea that Zimmerman was beaten badly just doesn't hold up for me. The photos that show damage to his face do not even indicate a black eye IMO even though it does look like he got hit.
My feeling is that Zimmerman ended up on his back because he was focused on pulling his gun. Martin gained control and my have hit him but may have also had some glancing blows thrown while wrestling for the gun when they were on the ground. If Martin had him down on the ground landing blows like they say, Zimmerman should have had a severe case of raccoon eyes at least.
Not to mention, witnesses said Zimmerman got up and didn't even have a loud voice. His demeanor was rather strange for things to have occurred the way he's stated. Doesn't men it didn't, but pretty strange for the logbook.
TM was laying on the grass, face down, Zimmerman was standing over him. His request for someone to call for help was softly spoken, not much urgency or panic. Not the actions of someone crying for help just a couple of minutes prior, or someone whining and whimpering.
I think GZ was listed somewhere at around 170 or so. Hard to believe he lost that much so soon. The old pics of him were circa 2005 or so, very thuggish. LOL The pics of him at the PD right after being taken in after the shooting showed he wasn't that big a man.
I "believe" the autopsy listed TM as 71 inches and 158. Hardly huge, fairly wirey.
I believe many are focusing on the wrong things myself. Details of the crime scene, telephone statements, statements made to the police and subsequent statements. Those are more important IMO.
Frankly, the revelations regarding the defense fund and comments made to the court floored me. I can't imagine GZ and his wife lying to the judge like he did. A Huge No No. The phone calls just released were revealing as well.
GZ was booked into jail the first time at 185#. Not obese, for someone 5'8", but certainly not "slim".
Went back and reviewed some things. When you do that from time to time, the number on conflicting statements is appalling, and from the same person. Even basic things.
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Today during his bail hearing, George Zimmerman issued an unwanted apology to Trayvon Martin's parents. Zimmerman said: "I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am, and I did not know if he was armed or not."
Zimmerman is essentially trying to elicit sympathy from the judge, potential jurors, the public and Martin's parents. Also, his lawyer is attempting to humanize him. If Zimmerman actually thought the 17-year-old Martin was an adult, then perhaps he had a reason to fear him.
But, is Zimmerman telling the truth? Zimmerman is 28. Today he said he thought Martin was just a bit younger than he. But during a 911 call made moments before Martin's death, Zimmerman said he believed that Martin was in his late-teens. Thus, Zimmerman was pretty accurate about Martin's age. The audio tape of the 911 call appears below this post.
Went back and reviewed some things. When you do that from time to time, the number on conflicting statements is appalling, and from the same person. Even basic things.
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