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Would someone pleading for their life say 'help' ? Isn't don't shoot or nono, something like that the more pleading yell or to your ears, whine.
I wouldn't call the beating 'severe.' Others might. Injuries which unless he inflicted them himself as some believe, might have become severe.
"Don't shoot!" Would seem to be what we would expect from someone with a guy pointed at them. "Help!" Would be something we would expect when getting beaten up, or if you know someone is coming after you to beat you up.
I don't know the truth.
I do know Zimmerman was beaten, and someone called for help, and Trayvon was shot.
I still see no evidence that will convince a rational jury to find Zimmerman guilty. Corey needs a smackdown. There are at least two people serving a mandatory 20 years for an action that does not deserve two thanks to her.
How about the fact that Zimmerman was outside his car, stalking a lone, unarmed Teen accosted in the vicinity of his residence while he was walking home from the store. This is something that happens thousands of times a day all over America. To not find Zimmerman leaves all these kids coming home at risk for any other nutcase w/ a weapon. WE know this because Zimmerman called 911 himself, and was told to stop following. He already had been told he couldn't carry weapons while on duty. SYG my butt....Zimmerman wasn't on any ground he owns....He wasn't protecting property he owns.
I believe Trayvon Martin was trying to stand his ground after being AT THE VERY LEAST verbally accosted by an armed stranger that has been following him for several blocks. We may never know what Zimmerman said or did to Trayvon to cause Trayvon to try to get Zimmerman to leave him alone. Put this is proper perspective you haters. You or your kid could be the next innocent person facing down an armed nut case on your own block.
The lack of assault injuries to Trayvon, the injuries to Zimmerman, most of his account seems to be accurate. So I dont know how any non-biased jury can convict him. There is not enough evidence to show this man set out to murder anyone and the self defense is indeed there.
The lack of assault injuries to Trayvon, the injuries to Zimmerman, most of his account seems to be accurate. So I dont know how any non-biased jury can convict him. There is not enough evidence to show this man set out to murder anyone and the self defense is indeed there.
It depends....there are some pretty stupid juries seated these days. How else do you explain Casey Anthony and OJ being free? Though this really supports your idea...in those cases, in spite of overwhelming evidence of guilt, the juries let them off. In this case, where there is much more evidence supporting a SD claim, "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" looks like a real stretch.
The lack of assault injuries to Trayvon, the injuries to Zimmerman, most of his account seems to be accurate. So I dont know how any non-biased jury can convict him. There is not enough evidence to show this man set out to murder anyone and the self defense is indeed there.
We don't know of all of the evidence. Some of it has been released, not all. Furthermore, the defense evidence still only consists of Zimmerman's word and as a known liar, his word is questionable. I will never believe that Trayvon Martin went into a violent rage, hid in the bushes, attacked Zimmerman and told him he was "going to die tonight". Nor will I believe that Zimmerman was walking back to his car when the altercation started. Trayvon Martin was on the phone. Why would he stay on the phone while hiding in the bushes and jumping out and assaulting someone? Clearly the investigator questioned Zimmerman's account as well. There will be more evidence coming out and evidence that the jury will hear first. It will be up to the jury. If the jury convicts, it doesn't mean they have to be biased.
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[quote=justNancy;24827639]I always thought that was strange. When did GZ get the chance to scream? Was that before or after TM covered his nose and mouth? Why aren't there bite marks on TM hands? Didn't GZ get the chance to throw a single punch during this struggle? He had at least 50 pounds on him, but he was totally helpless.
That is an interesting point, how can a grown man fighting a kid not get in at least one good punch considering the battering zimmerman supposely took? Hell, I have seen the results of woman under 100lbs get a lick or two in before getting beatup by men twice their size
It depends....there are some pretty stupid juries seated these days. How else do you explain Casey Anthony and OJ being free? Though this really supports your idea...in those cases, in spite of overwhelming evidence of guilt, the juries let them off. In this case, where there is much more evidence supporting a SD claim, "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" looks like a real stretch.
No chance of a not guilty verdict imo. Besides the political and social pressure, what are odds the jury won't have jurors with the same oddball questions we see here. At best for gz, a mistrial.
"Don't shoot!" Would seem to be what we would expect from someone with a guy pointed at them. "Help!" Would be something we would expect when getting beaten up, or if you know someone is coming after you to beat you up.
I don't know the truth.
I do know Zimmerman was beaten, and someone called for help, and Trayvon was shot.
I think somebody would say "don't shoot" only if the gun was drawn while approaching somebody and not during a struggle for the gun.
It is perfectly logical that somebody would yell help while struggling for the gun.
That being said, Zimmerman's story could be plausible. However an equally likely story here is that if in fact Martin attacked Zimmerman first it was because he saw that he had a gun or Zimmerman looked like he was going to pull his gun (maybe not to shoot Martin, but to detain him).
New video, audio, and transcripts released by O'Mara.
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Here's an article with some of the material--- gz's renactment of the night, his 1st written statement to cops, interview with Serino.
[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=ju_c1]George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin threatened my life - CNN.com[/url]
Did you see the photos of Zimmerman? It says that they were taken the day after the shooting. Here's another one - same day, same place, different angle. When the video in the police station didn't show serious injuries, so many here claimed it takes 24 hours for a broken nose to swell or bruises to discolor. We also read that he showed up the next day with his head wrapped in bandages.
"A video showing an unidentified investigator watching George Zimmerman re-enact the scuffle with Trayvon Martin the day after the shooting. Mr. Zimmerman's defense team released the video through a Web site, gzlegalcase.com."
Where are his bandages? Where is the broken nose? I just watched the video you posted. There is a tiny band-aid on his nose. Definitely not a llife-threatening injury. He doesn't look very skinny to me either. Strange how he no longer has a shaved head and facial hair now.
Edit: Just want to add that this video gives me even more reason to believe he was stalking Trayvon Martin. It's a cul-de-sac! Martin was trapped! George Zimmerman followed him all the way to the end of the street. He saw him heading toward the home where he was staying, but continued to pursue him. He's lying. The video contradicts what he said on the 911 tape. He DID NOT tell the police dispatcher to tell an officer to meet him at the clubhouse. He said to have an officer call him when he arrived at the gate and he would tell him where he was located. He also WAS NOT asked by the police dispatcher if he still needed a patrol car IIRC. He said during the bond hearing that he didn't know the victim was so young. His statements keep changing. I listened to the entire 911 call when it was posted on the Sanford Police web site. He even made up things the day after the shooting and we can see/hear him on video.
How many times can his lawyer give the excuse "He was confused." Huh?
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Reason: correction: change "officer" to "dispatcher"
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