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Old 09-25-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So where's willards 14% ?
Within the top 5%. The Romneys paid a higher federal income tax rate than 95+% of the country.
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He's still a freeloader, not paying his fair share.
How is paying a higher federal income tax rate than 95+% of the country "freeloading" and "not paying one's fair share?"

 
Old 09-25-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Within the top 5%. The Romneys paid a higher federal income tax rate than 95+% of the country. How is paying a higher federal income tax rate than 95+% of the country "freeloading" and "not paying one's fair share?"
Your graph or figures provided are wrong. sorry,
95%,? because they made more money?
the rummys paid 14%, freeloaders. not enough.
I hope someone investigates his tax amnesty with the fed deal he received with UBS.


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Old 09-25-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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Your graph or figures provided are wrong. sorry
No, they aren't. They are the IRS's actual data.
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the rummys paid 14%, freeloaders.
Paying $1.9 million in federal income tax is not freeloading.

Let me guess... you vote Democrat.

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Old 09-25-2012, 01:21 PM
 
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I hope someone investigates his tax amnesty with the fed deal he received with UBS.
They probably don't want to look into it too closely...
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Its psychology, you have to understand it to fix the problem.

Look at it this way, there are many people who qualify for government assistance right now, but who refuse to take it. Why?

There are many people who shouldn't qualify for government assistance, but cheat the system in order to leech money from the system. And there are people who live off government assistance with no desire to really better their situations.

The question is, why is there a difference in the way people see government assistance?

Well, its pretty simple, there are some people who basically believe in America, there are some people who want to contribute to America, not take from it. There are people who feel guilty when they know they are capable of providing for themselves and others, and refuse to take from others.

The question is, does the current situation encourage people being self-sufficient or being dependent? How might you encourage someone to be more self-sufficient?


In my view, if you look at socialist systems over time. The ones that have been most effective, have been systems with a strong sense of community. And more importantly, they establish a community that is sort of in competition with other nations. Which establishes a community/national need for people to contribute. Without community and without competition, its difficult to get people to work together.


The problem we have in this country is, no one really wants to work together with anyone else. We have too many minority groups which see themselves as separate entities. Which would be fine in the spirit of competition. But instead of striving to do better for themselves and their communities through competition, they demand more benefits handed to them by other groups(primarily whites).

A good example of uniting people would actually be 9/11. Right after 9/11 you saw a massive surge in patriotism. You saw American flags everywhere, and people seemed more united than anytime that I can think of. It was finally a "US vs them" situation, where we had to come together to defeat a common enemy. This is actually the sort of "perpetual war" policy that the Nazi's and other socialists of that era intended to have. If you are at war against a real enemy, an enemy which is in direct opposition to your values or even your country's very existence. Then everyone must be united, everyone has to contribute, everyone has to work to preserve the nation, to preserve the people. If you have leeches, then they are making the country weak, and we cannot allow leeches to bring the destruction of our very nation.


Anyway, the point is, in order to eliminate leeches, you have to have more resentment towards leeches. But the only way to do that in my opinion, is to have a more United America, and you also have to believe that America is the greatest country on Earth. And its values and people are superior to all others.


There are a couple other solutions to the problem. First of course is to cut all assistance programs, you can't have leeches if there is nothing to leech.

The other solution is to make the assistance programs as local as possible. By making them locally funded and administered, there generally is more accountability. I personally like the idea of stripping the federal government of all its welfare programs, and make all programs administered by the states themselves. With fifty states, you have a fair amount of competition, it almost makes the states act like the "free-market" when it comes to what kinds of assistance programs they decide to offer. If they are inefficient and try to give away too much without any accountability, then they'll go bankrupt(like California).

I am personally in favor of either eliminating the 14th amendment(since it was illegally ratified to begin with, look it up), and also clarifying the commerce clause to its original limited intent. Or calling for an entirely new constitution to be written up, to address the apparent shortcomings and disagreements in regards to our current constitution.
 
Old 09-25-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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most of us have probably heard that Mitt and Ann Romney paid just under $2 million in taxes on income -- virtually all from investments -- of just under $14 million for 2011, an effective tax rate of 14.1%. This is a low tax rate, lower than the typical middle-class American worker pays, especially when one considers payroll taxes, the largest burden for most Americans. It should concern us that individuals of Romney's wealth -- analysis has put his personal fortune as high as $250 million, not counting some $100 million in trusts set up for his five children -- pay so little as a percent in taxes.
Why not a closer look?
What is he hiding?
Did he have foreign investments with countires which are on the terrorist list? Did he make money from a terrorist state?
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Mitt Romney is hiding the fact that the he was one of the 5000 wealthy American tax-dodgers that Swiss bank UBS turned over to US authorities, as part of a USDOJ-brokered 2009 deal, which both fined UBS for hiding rich American's money in a massive tax-evasion scheme, and offered the 5000 rich Americans "amnesty" (from criminal prosecution, trials & prison time), if they paid back the tax revenues they stole from US Treasury during the previous years.
 
Old 09-25-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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most of us have probably heard that Mitt and Ann Romney paid just under $2 million in taxes on income -- virtually all from investments -- of just under $14 million for 2011, an effective tax rate of 14.1%. This is a low tax rate, lower than the typical middle-class American worker pays, especially when one considers payroll taxes, the largest burden for most Americans.
Payroll taxes are NOT the federal income tax. Everyone who works and earns an income pays payroll taxes. The Romneys are no different than anyone else in that regard and are taxed no differently, so that point is moot.

The actual fact is that the Romneys paid a higher federal income tax rate than 95+% of eligible tax payers/filers in this country. The IRS data proves it.
 
Old 09-25-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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Just this really.


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Old 09-25-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: North America
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Well, if Obama is re-elected, will we hear the right wing whine for 4 more years? probably, they've been whining ever since bomb, bomb, bomb iran man lost.
Righties are such sore losers.
Yeah, because liberals weren't crying for EIGHT YEARS STRAIGHT because Gore LOST the 2000 election, right?


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Old 09-25-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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OP - do you mean like the Romney's with all their special tax deductions? Yeah, when will we get rid of these freeloaders?
You can't be called a freeloader when you donate millions to charity.
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