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Old 11-01-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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So the states want a blank check for "hurricane coverage" from the fed. Who will be monitoring the spending? Biden? He did such a great job keeping tabs on the stimulus spending. I'd bet half of that blank check will end up somewhere other than storm cleanup. The raping of the taxpayer never ends. Just like the big mortgage settlement. Yeah the banks had to pony up billions. Did the folks who had their homes stolen get a penny? Nope.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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So the states want a blank check for "hurricane coverage" from the fed. Who will be monitoring the spending? Biden? He did such a great job keeping tabs on the stimulus spending. I'd bet half of that blank check will end up somewhere other than storm cleanup. The raping of the taxpayer never ends. Just like the big mortgage settlement. Yeah the banks had to pony up billions. Did the folks who had their homes stolen get a penny? Nope.
Nope, read the link I posted prior. It's not a blank check. They are requesting 100% for emergency response and repair only, as they can via the code
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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Will the cop I saw on the news guarding a tree looking around most likely making overtime be considered emergency response?
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Conservative Christians are "far more" a lot of things than lefties, but charitable ain't one of them.

And if i put 100 bucks in your pocket, i'm taking 101 bucks out of your other pocket.
That's the liberal way, taking more than you give.

It's a documented fact that conservatives are more charitable than liberals, liberals are only "charitable" with other peoples money.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Will the cop I saw on the news guarding a tree looking around most likely making overtime be considered emergency response?
There are way more important things to do, like any of them will even have time for that. My NYPD friend is currently fishing out bodies and will be for weeks to come.

You have absolutely no idea what is going on here.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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this is what is covered under Emergency, as per the Stafford act.

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§ 5170b. ESSENTIAL ASSISTANCE {Sec. 403}

In general
Federal agencies may on the direction of the President, provide assistance essential to meeting immediate threats to life and property resulting from a major disaster, as follows:

Federal resources, generally
Utilizing, lending, or donating to State and local governments Federal equipment, supplies, facilities, personnel, and other resources, other than the extension of credit, for use or distribution by such governments in accordance with the purposes of this Act.

Medicine, food, and other consumables
Distributing or rendering through State and local governments, the American National Red Cross, the Salvation Army, the Mennonite Disaster Service, and other relief and disaster assistance organizations medicine, food, and other consumable supplies, and other services and assistance to disaster victims.

Work and services to save lives and protect property
Performing on public or private lands or waters any work or services essential to saving lives and protecting and preserving property or public health and safety, including--

debris removal;
search and rescue, emergency medical care, emergency mass care, emergency shelter, and provision of food, water, medicine, and other essential needs, including movement of supplies or persons;
clearance of roads and construction of temporary bridges necessary to the performance of emergency tasks and essential community services;
provision of temporary facilities for schools and other essential community services;
demolition of unsafe structures which endanger the public;
warning of further risks and hazards;
dissemination of public information and assistance regarding health and safety measures;
provision of technical advice to State and local governments on disaster management and control; and
reduction of immediate threats to life, property, and public health and safety.

Contributions
Making contributions to State or local governments or owners or operators of private nonprofit facilities for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this subsection.

Federal share
The Federal share of assistance under this section shall be not less than 75 percent of the eligible cost of such assistance.

Utilization of DOD resources

General rule
During the immediate aftermath of an incident which may ultimately qualify for assistance under this title or title V of this Act [42 U.S.C. §§ 5170 et seq. or 5191 et seq.], the Governor of the State in which such incident occurred may request the President to direct the Secretary of Defense to utilize the resources of the Department of Defense for the purpose of performing on public and private lands any emergency work which is made necessary by such incident and which is essential for the preservation of life and property. If the President determines that such work is essential for the preservation of life and property, the President shall grant such request to the extent the President determines practicable. Such emergency work may only be carried out for a period not to exceed 10 days.

Rules applicable to debris removal
Any removal of debris and wreckage carried out under this subsection shall be subject to section 5173(b) of this title [42 U.S.C. § 5173*(b)], relating to unconditional authorization and indemni*fi*ca*tion for debris removal.

Expenditures out of disaster relief funds
The cost of any assistance provided pursuant to this subsection shall be reimbursed out of funds made available to carry out this Act.

Federal share
The Federal share of assistance under this subsection shall be not less than 75 percent.

Guidelines
Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of the Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Amendments of 1988 [enacted Nov. 23, 1988], the President shall issue guidelines for carrying out this subsection. Such guidelines shall consider any likely effect assistance under this subsection will have on the availability of other forms of assistance under this Act.

Definitions
For purposes of this section--

Department of Defense
The term 'Department of Defense' has the meaning the term "department" has under section 101 of title 10, United States Code.

Emergency work
The term "emergency work" includes clearance and removal of debris and wreckage and temporary restoration of essential public facilities and services.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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I agree. The parties in question should have purchased insurance, they had that option but refused to do so, that's their problem. That said, there are some legit expenses which the Feds should help out on but that doesn't include Cuomo's demands for limitless free money.
First of all neither you, Cuomo, or I have any idea as to who has coverage, who doesn't or what or what it won't pay for, so we go off on a personal responsibility rant. But we're still on the same page about Cuomo.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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There are way more important things to do, like any of them will even have time for that. My NYPD friend is currently fishing out bodies and will be for weeks to come.

You have absolutely no idea what is going on here.
I hear a hurricane hit. That happens usually once or twice a year in the US sometimes more. Perhaps folks living next to an ocean where those hurricane things come from should have been better prepared. But don't worry the government will take care of you or so your told. Like you said your government is fishing bodies out. That is what happens when you rely on the government to care for you. They come clean up.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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I'd be happy to give a Kidney, just not both kidneys.
I would prefer that both NYC and NJ rescind draconian gun law before we give them a dime....

I don't mind helping, but i want something in return. To me the clean up is one thing, the rebuilding is quite another. I don't even want to hear 'To Big to fail' again.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD / NY
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He (as well as Christie) are asking for 100% of certain costs (emergency work) and 90% of others.

This is the actual letter.



Link to the federal regulation he cites in the letter
Cost-share adjustments.

§ 206.47Cost-share adjustments.
(a) We pay seventy-five percent (75%) of the eligible cost of permanent restorative work under section 406 of the Stafford Act and for emergency work under section 403 and section 407 of the Stafford Act, unless the Federal share is increased under this section.
(b) We recommend an increase in the Federal cost share from seventy-five percent (75%) to not more than ninety percent (90%) of the eligible cost of permanent work under section 406 and of emergency work under section 403 and section 407 whenever a disaster is so extraordinary that actual Federal obligations under the Stafford Act, excluding FEMA administrative cost, meet or exceed a qualifying threshold of:
(1) Beginning in 1999 and effective for disasters declared on or after May 21, 1999, $75 per capita of State population;
(2) Effective for disasters declared after January 1, 2000, and through December 31, 2000, $85 per capita of State population;
(3) Effective for disasters declared after January 1, 2001, $100 per capita of State population; and,
(4) Effective for disasters declared after January 1, 2002 and for later years, $100 per capita of State population, adjusted annually for inflation using the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers published annually by the Department of Labor.
(c) When we determine whether to recommend a cost-share adjustment we consider the impact of major disaster declarations in the State during the preceding twelve-month period.(d) If warranted by the needs of the disaster, we recommend up to one hundred percent (100%) Federal funding for emergency work under section 403 and section 407, including direct Federal assistance, for a limited period in the initial days of the disaster irrespective of the per capita impact.
Thank you for taking the time to find this and then post the information, newtoli.

Lesson to others who create threads with unsubstantiated, potentially incendiary content.

OP, the link discusses insurance deductibles, lending for small businesses affected, and assistance residents 'MAY' be eligible for depending on their location. Nothing about a free handout. As others mentioned, reading comprehension is key.

Further, do a bit more HW before posting nonsense. Flood insurance is REQUIRED for many coastal areas, according to floodplain maps FEMA created and frequently updates, especially in areas such as NY, NJ, and CT that were severely damaged in this latest storm. To enable homeowners to know their risks, FEMA was charged with mapping areas, (beginning decades ago), with a 1 percent or more chance of catastrophic flooding (known as the 100-year flood) in any given year. Banks almost always require customers in these zones to purchase flood insurance to get or maintain their mortgages.

Without statistics, a link, a report, anything providing some form of evidence to support your claim--threads like these just take up space and lead to unproductive discussion. Further, keep in mind, there's a reason why anecdotal evidence and hearsay is not admissible in court.

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