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I probably won't add much after 800 responses, but I would just like to re-point out that the second amendment had nothing to do with individual self-defense nor hunting. The second amendment was about protecting the people against an attack by government forces (either invading forces or their own government that grew out of control). So for the purpose of the second amendment, yes, you do need an "assault rifle" capable of inflicting maximum damage. The only debate here should whether the second amendment is still needed and whether that threat still really exists.
If that is so....then where the hell were you last Friday in Newtown, CT. Now we have 26 dead, 20 6-7 year old defenseless kids!!
We were elsewhere, and obeying the "gun free zone" rules. Too bad, had there been a good guy with a gun, perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad. But "the authorities" made sure the bad guy was the only one who was armed.
I probably won't add much after 800 responses, but I would just like to re-point out that the second amendment had nothing to do with individual self-defense nor hunting. The second amendment was about protecting the people against an attack by government forces (either invading forces or their own government that grew out of control). So for the purpose of the second amendment, yes, you do need an "assault rifle" capable of inflicting maximum damage. The only debate here should whether the second amendment is still needed and whether that threat still really exists.
This is it plain and simple.. The American people seem to want change, IE: the 2 nd election of Obama. The first amendment trumps the second, but thats my opinion. What it all comes down to is the Supreme Court.Its not too late for changes coming from that direction. Whether you like it or not the Courts have become Political, thats not how it was supposed to be.
The other thing is all these "gun freedoms" were not always like they are today. Most of us grew up under much stricture gun laws, National, State, Local. The NRA had a lot to do with the changes in gun laws. Good or bad, thats how it is today. There is , I believe the average gun owner ( probably a card carrying NRA member ) does not share as radical an opinion as the Controllers of the NRA. Wayne Laf. wants to keep his 4 million dollar salary.. Don't be fooled buy anyone saying that our laws can not be changed again, back to where they were, they can ! Your right to own a gun will always be a social issue, a heated one." They are coming for my guns" crap will not happen. What will is there will be some middle ground , debates, and compromise. You just don't kill 6-7 year old kids, 20 of them some with 11 rounds of .223 ammo in them, or threw them.I can imagine what the crime seen looked like. If you are a gun " Guy" you know too. Take in Christmas in a small CT city and you have an explosive mix. Mark my words, there will be changes coming, whether you like it or not, thats just how it is. As far as that wing nut from the NRA, if you listened to his speech, this guy is delusional at best..We all must work together in order to present a fair and balanced approach instead of fighting tooth and nail, from both sides,.
This is it plain and simple.. The American people seem to want change, IE: the 2 nd election of Obama. The first amendment trumps the second, but thats my opinion. What it all comes down to is the Supreme Court.Its not too late for changes coming from that direction. Whether you like it or not the Courts have become Political, thats not how it was supposed to be.
The other thing is all these "gun freedoms" were not always like they are today. Most of us grew up under much stricture gun laws, National, State, Local. The NRA had a lot to do with the changes in gun laws. Good or bad, thats how it is today. There is , I believe the average gun owner ( probably a card carrying NRA member ) does not share as radical an opinion as the Controllers of the NRA. Wayne Laf. wants to keep his 4 million dollar salary.. Don't be fooled buy anyone saying that our laws can not be changed again, back to where they were, they can ! Your right to own a gun will always be a social issue, a heated one." They are coming for my guns" crap will not happen. What will is there will be some middle ground , debates, and compromise. You just don't kill 6-7 year old kids, 20 of them some with 11 rounds of .223 ammo in them, or threw them.I can imagine what the crime seen looked like. If you are a gun " Guy" you know too. Take in Christmas in a small CT city and you have an explosive mix. Mark my words, there will be changes coming, whether you like it or not, thats just how it is. As far as that wing nut from the NRA, if you listened to his speech, this guy is delusional at best..We all must work together in order to present a fair and balanced approach instead of fighting tooth and nail, from both sides,.
the 2nd Amendment and the Constituion had nothing to do with obama getting elected again. if it did then he would be your dear leader for life and you would never vote again. but in 4 years pbo will be gone just as other presidnts have.
Self defense, Hobby collector, etc... and more importantly, because they want to and it is none of your damn business.
Now if you want to take issue with someone who owns one, then do so based on evidtential merit. If that person has not used such for any purpose against another, then you are attempting to divine what they will do, you are infringing on their liberty to live their life because you think your opinon is worth more than pouring urine out of a boot.
So I ask you, tell me why it matters if someone owns one and then justify why a lawful and good person should not? Go ahead, do so using evidential means and factual effect. Show us how you "know" someone who does own one is directly endangering another.
You can't, which makes you nothing more than a busy body demanding others live their lives as you see fit. It makes you a tyrant, someone who disrespects the liberty of another because they think they should be able to dictate to others as they see fit.
Exactly. Just because a person has a gun, doesn't make them a criminal. Funny how the left cries about law-abiding citizens protecting themselves, but are totally silent about the thousands of assault rifles being brought into this country by illegal immigrants and drug cartels. They want an open border, but want no guns for law abiding citizens. Well, much of the gun violence is happening along the border because we fail to secure it. I guess law abiding citizens are supposed to give up their rights while it is okay for drug cartels and illegal immigrants to carry assault rifles.
the 2nd Amendment and the Constituion had nothing to do with obama getting elected again. if it did then he would be your dear leader for life and you would never vote again. but in 4 years pbo will be gone just as other presidnts have.
It's not rocket science monkey. Put aside your closed cool aid mind for a min.The people have spoken, they want something done with all the killings by firearms. What is it you do not understand? Do you have any feelings at all, guess not. Some of you guys make me sick, I wonder what makes you tick.?, both of you.
Now after I got that out, listen up, Obama is now a lame duck president, he can do whatever he wants and not worry about re election. What makes you think I would want Obama to serve a third term. ? Only been done once FDR. The Constitution you guys hide behind, has lots of facets. The Courts have ruled differently over time. I guess do not remember how restrictive gun laws were years back.
"No true law abiding citizen would want to own an assualt weapon"
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
I guess if you say so lol
That's all it's based on.
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