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Old 01-19-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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People that smoke weed regularly are potheads, and only differ from the drunks in their resulting behavior. Both are worthless until the immediate effects wear off, and both will experience long term effects from the drug use.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't care if you sat in a room with your bottle and bong all day. But the reality is these people hit the road and endanger all of us. Legalize weed and watch those numbers rise.
Dry counties show higher DUI-related accidents.

About as close to a metric I can think of to measure prohibition related accidents.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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People that smoke weed regularly are potheads, and only differ from the drunks in their resulting behavior. Both are worthless until the immediate effects wear off, and both will experience long term effects from the drug use.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't care if you sat in a room with your bottle and bong all day. But the reality is these people hit the road and endanger all of us. Legalize weed and watch those numbers rise.
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Old 01-21-2013, 07:08 AM
 
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.
You hit the sweet spot at the end of your post. Libertarianism is what you want and is your friend.

Conservatives are just as oppressive as Liberals, they just have different restrictions and like to legislate morality slightly more than liberals.

Why do we have "Sunday Liquor Licenses"?
Why is marriage and/or gay marriage even a function of government? It should be handled solely, privately by churches. It has been hijacked by government.
Why are any drugs illegal? Religion

Once you associate with either the GOP or Democratic party you lose all ability to reason or make lawful decisions. You circumvent the constitution and oppress people with the party beliefs ,the monster we have created is coming home to roost.

The only problem with a Libertarian candidate is that people will actually have to suffer at times (entitlements gone/minimal), go to work and earn their keep. This is a lost virtue, and probably will never be restored without something incredibly drastic happening to our economy before its the only option.

Since the GOP will never win another POTUS race, we can safely say that the country will be doomed by liberal policies because of the unchecked (GOP only holding on by House) policies. The GOP crapped the bed with the Bush era and the democrats have failed with Obama, we have no option but a fiscal and societal meltdown and rebuild through the ashes yet again.

The only thing we know is that the GOP or the democrats neither can do anything properly, the USA has prospered despite the social engineering by each party and despite its perseverance it can still only muster the strength to shoulder a little bit more.
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.

We had a serious Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, but 99% refused to vote for him because voters said I want to vote for someone who has a chance of winning so my vote isn't wasted. So if one candidate was for real freedom, they'd want the worst (bribed) candidates to keep winning forever so their votes aren't wasted. If the candidates were Hitler clone #1 & Hitler clone #2 & a libertarian, the Hitler clones would win forever. If voters can't think sanely & realize candidates who take money from special interest groups have been purchased & will side against the public, there is no hope.

Hitler had drug users executed. Newt Gingrich smoked cannabis (MJ) when he was young & said it should be legalized, at the very least for medical purposes. Then he became a medical lobbyist & proposed a law that would allow for any American possessing 2 oz or more to be executed. (Not) OK passed a law allowing 100 years for possession of 2 oz or more. Gingrich was allowed to be in politics for 1/2 century.

If politicians talk about what is good for the country, they usually mean what is good for the bribers & bribees. If you don't hear them talk about personal liberties other than gun ownership, they are against the rest of the Constitution.

Mitt Romney got nearly half the vote, when the Republican debates had 1 candidate or another saying we hate drug users, we hate gays, racial minorities, protesters, poor people on welfare, atheists and agnostics, Muslims, etc.

I knew not to vote for Obama when I went online to some voters guide that told their ratings from special interest groups. Obama was highly rated by owners of treatment centers.

Fed govt has a new wish list out for MJ users: forced intervention/rehab, forced "education"(lies). You can see all the details at learnaboutsam.com/
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Old 01-22-2013, 04:53 PM
 
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You hit the sweet spot at the end of your post. Libertarianism is what you want and is your friend.

Conservatives are just as oppressive as Liberals, they just have different restrictions and like to legislate morality slightly more than liberals.

Why do we have "Sunday Liquor Licenses"?
Why is marriage and/or gay marriage even a function of government? It should be handled solely, privately by churches. It has been hijacked by government.
Why are any drugs illegal? Religion
Marriage was arguably hijacked by religion, actually, as the state has an interest in stable family units. They produce good citizens. Not to mention, the myriad of benefits that come with marriage. It's explicitly a social contract between two persons about responsibility and care for another and for offspring.

Drugs were not made illegal because of religion, but I would argue it certainly has helped keep it that way.

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Once you associate with either the GOP or Democratic party you lose all ability to reason or make lawful decisions. You circumvent the constitution and oppress people with the party beliefs ,the monster we have created is coming home to roost.

The only problem with a Libertarian candidate
Says the person associated with the Libertarian party?! Understand the irony?

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is that people will actually have to suffer at times (entitlements gone/minimal), go to work and earn their keep. This is a lost virtue, and probably will never be restored without something incredibly drastic happening to our economy before its the only option.
Consider that we have social welfare programs because they benefit society at large. Libertarianism is great for civil rights, but not for economic policy. It has the same problems as the Republican platform. Libertarianism fights for minimalist government that protects right of personal property, essentially. "Minimum interference," essentially. Libertarianism applied to the food industry gives us salmonella.

I don't want salmonella, do you? I'll stick with the "oppressive" Democrat party which promotes and enforces regulation on businesses serving the public and public interests.

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Since the GOP will never win another POTUS race,
Based on losing the last two? I wonder if they said the same thing when Bush I lost his second term.

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we can safely say that the country will be doomed by liberal policies because of the unchecked (GOP only holding on by House) policies. The GOP crapped the bed with the Bush era and the democrats have failed with Obama, we have no option but a fiscal and societal meltdown and rebuild through the ashes yet again.
Doomsayer. The country is doing rather well in spite of destructive GOP policies. Imagine how much better we would be doing if people could actually afford to buy **** because they aren't forking out all their cash to support corporatism?

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The only thing we know is that the GOP or the democrats neither can do anything properly, the USA has prospered despite the social engineering by each party and despite its perseverance it can still only muster the strength to shoulder a little bit more.
I get the feeling we've got a lot of disagreements ahead of us...
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Most don't care one way or the other. Generalizing evil conservatives as the ones stopping it all is nonsense. It's a state issue anyway. Go cry to your state reps if you want to get high legally.

Governors get paid by the police lobby to veto any bill that gets passed. But bills don't usually pass as so many police officers & lawyers are legislators. Also, police from many jurisdictions cram into the committee rooms, guns at waists & most committee members are too scared to vote against them, as the police demand the right to edit the bill so there isn't much left.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I fully support the legalization of all drugs.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:11 PM
 
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.

Conservatives are just more open about what they hate. Many Dems are fence-sitters or state a position in such a confusing way it is impossible for most to be sure where they stand.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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Because they hate freedom.
Majority in Congress get paid annually $100,000-$500,000 by Big Pharma.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.
They love to control others. The dems do the same except on different issues.
Using government as a moral compass hasn't worked very well for either side.
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