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Old 01-22-2013, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Once again, your using simplistic thinking on a complex subject. You must first become educated on it.....then, get back to us. Read some on economics(especially macro), geopolitics(believe me, catastrophic climate change will have an effect), health issues which in turn are connected with economics/geopolitics(once again, a complex issue, not simplistic) and these are just some starters. Once you begin you're journey on finally educating yourself on these important matters, you might not think them to be as simplistically inconsequential as you do now.
Oh, I think there are very important issues at hand. No need to preach to me about "getting educated". I just don't like to see government invest in projects that are nothing more than an "experiment" paid for by the taxpayer. There are other existing issues that need to be addressed and can be corrected with positive results on the first try. I don't want to see another $90 billion of taxpayers money being wasted.

Get off your high horse. You've implied to, I think, 3 other people that they are either uneducated or ignorant. If you are so damned smart for the people on C-D you might want to move along and find a forum with people who share your "education" and superior attitude.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: under a rock
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Oh, I think there are very important issues at hand. No need to preach to me about "getting educated". I just don't like to see government invest in projects that are nothing more than an "experiment" paid for by the taxpayer. There are other existing issues that need to be addressed and can be corrected with positive results on the first try. I don't want to see another $90 billion of taxpayers money being wasted.

Get off your high horse. You've implied to, I think, 3 other people that they are either uneducated or ignorant. If you are so damned smart for the people on C-D you might want to move along and find a forum with people who share your "education" and superior attitude.
All advances in science/technology are "experiments" at first. What are the existing issues that need to addressed, and how do you propose we correct them on the first try? It appears that your horse is a bit higher than mine.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Once again, you just aren't familiar with the science. It's definitely telling in your trying to wrap up "climate change" into some neat and tidy "conspiracy" for another "perpetual war". Please, get educated first.
Gimme a break. All you are doing in various threads are telling people to "get educated".
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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and blah blah but yet he has no regard for our country's debt issue.

What is the response from the liberal left folks about this hypocritical statement?
It's a mental disease.

Let's say that Obama envisions a future, where our children will be spending hundreds of billions to offset global warming. Our children will be facing hundreds of billions a year on just the interest payments on the debt, because of Obama's irresponsible and unpatriotic deficit spending.

What good does Obama feel we will benefit from in the future, if he promotes windmills and solar panels, if the future for our children is them living in an impoverished nation?

Here's a vision for you, a fifty foot statue in commemoration of Obama's green energy initiatives. Obama, attired in rich garb, standing in a grand pose, reaching for the stars with one one hand, while holding a big bag of loot in the other, with a child at his feet, reaching down to pick up a shovel, and Obama's foot firmly on the handle. To symbolize the selfish greed the country engaged in during the first two decades of 2000s, while our children and grandchildren try to dig themselves out of the debt we left them.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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and blah blah but yet he has no regard for our country's debt issue.

What is the response from the liberal left folks about this hypocritical statement?
blah-blah-blah MORE $$$$ blah-blah-blah CLIMATE CHANGE blah-blah-blah FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN blah-blah-blah
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Gimme a break. All you are doing in various threads are telling people to "get educated".
Because obviously you are not. And maybe i'd like a break from ill-informed people. I mean no harm. It's just some times you've gotta go.........hmmmmmmmm
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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All advances in science/technology are "experiments" at first. What are the existing issues that need to addressed, and how do you propose we correct them on the first try? It appears that your horse is a bit higher than mine.
But we don't burn the bridges in front of us, and tell everyone in a cavalier manner, that we can't use bridges anymore, because we need to invent new technology to get across the river.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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But we don't burn the bridges in front of us, and tell everyone in a cavalier manner, that we can't use bridges anymore, because we need to invent new technology to get across the river.
You are acting as if Obama speaks with some kind of sincerity - didn't you get the memo?
As I posted above it is the standard formula -

blah-blah-blah MORE MONEY($$$) blah-blah-blah (INSERT CRISIS) blah-blah-blah FOR WOMEN and CHILDREN
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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But we don't burn the bridges in front of us, and tell everyone in a cavalier manner, that we can't use bridges anymore, because we need to invent new technology to get across the river.
Who's talking about burning the whole bridge down? There isn't going to be any babies being thrown out with the bathwater, either. Folks in the know, the scientist, have never once said that of which you speak.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It's a mental disease.

Let's say that Obama envisions a future, where our children will be spending hundreds of billions to offset global warming. Our children will be facing hundreds of billions a year on just the interest payments on the debt, because of Obama's irresponsible and unpatriotic deficit spending.

What good does Obama feel we will benefit from in the future, if he promotes windmills and solar panels, if the future for our children is them living in an impoverished nation?

Here's a vision for you, a fifty foot statue in commemoration of Obama's green energy initiatives. Obama, attired in rich garb, standing in a grand pose, reaching for the stars with one one hand, while holding a big bag of loot in the other, with a child at his feet, reaching down to pick up a shovel, and Obama's foot firmly on the handle. To symbolize the selfish greed the country engaged in during the first two decades of 2000s, while our children and grandchildren try to dig themselves out of the debt we left them.
First, the narrative that "Our children will be facing hundreds of billions a year on just the interest payments on the debt, because of Obama's irresponsible and unpatriotic deficit spending," is entirely false. What areas has Obama spend recklessly that wasn't approved by the GOP House? Moreover, interest payments by the United States are about the same as they were in 2006 under Bush.



On Green Energy:

From the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. Solar Market Continues Fast Growth - Study

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U.S. firms installed 1,992 megawatts of solar panels this year through September, more than all of 2011, according to the report.

The U.S. is on track to install a record 3,200 megawatts (3.2 gigawatts) of solar panels in 2012, up 70% from 2011, following a flurry of expected fourth-quarter installations, the report predicted.

"While the third quarter was remarkable for the U.S. [solar photovoltaic] market, it is just the opening act for what we expect to see in the fourth quarter," said Shayle Kann, GTM's vice president of research.

While the overall U.S. solar market is expected to continue growing into 2013, GTM cautioned that solar markets in some states, such as New Jersey and Massachusetts, are likely to decline next year, as utilities there meet their quotas for solar purchases.

Solar-system prices have continued to fall, in line with prices for panels and other equipment, GTM and SEIA reported.

Installing a solar system on a home rooftop averaged $5.21 a watt, down 15% from a year ago, and down 4% from the second quarter, the report found.

Solar systems for businesses averaged $4.18 a watt, down nearly 15% over the past year and down 3% from the second quarter, according to the study.

The average price of a solar panel was 75 cents a watt, down 43% from a year earlier, according to the report.

Construction of large-scale solar-power plants in states such as California and Arizona has fueled much of the solar market's growth, with such projects accounting for 45% of solar installations year-to-date through September, GTM said.

About 119,000 Americans work for 5,600 companies in the U.S. that are involved with solar power, the report found.
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U.S. Solar-Panel Demand Expected to Double
The U.S. market for solar panels is likely to double in 2012, thanks to government policies and falling prices, although new tariffs on panels imported from China could contribute to slower growth in 2013, according to a new study.
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