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Well all you are doing is saying there IS racial differences in people.
No. What I'm saying is that you don't know how affirmative action works. If it worked, there would be fewer unemployed Black people.
Ask yourself this. There are more college educated Blacks than ever before. However, the rate of unemployment for young college educated Blacks is as high as the unemployment rate for young Whites with only a high school education.
And another thing to consider. 50% of White and Asian STEM graduates get jobs related to the STEM industry. However, only 30% of Blacks who graduate with STEM degrees get jobs in the STEM industry. Really think about that.
One might say that until affirmative action is abolished, Black candidates would not be trusted. How come this isn't applying to White females, who benefit from affirmative action the most?
I read something many years back about how AA helps the top end Black people the most; they'd still do well without it so long as Jim Crow is dead.
There's NO AA in basketball; either you hit the basket or you don't and the NBA is mostly Black in 2013. If Black people can do well playing ball; more Black people can do well in other areas.
With basketball, it is objective. In other fields, there are alot more factors taking place.
I'm not saying there aren't Blacks doing well in other fields or that they can't. I'm sure they can. What I'm saying is that there is still discrimination taking place.
I picked those examples because there were people claiming that America would look like Detroit. I picked Missouri City and Cedar Hill because when those were the first two I thought of. Communities that are affluent, majority-minority, and low-crime. I had not thought of San Jose until now.
People often say things, but they don't take into consideration other factors. It is like the number one thing people are fixated on is race.
A lot of these places reap the economic benefits of surrounding areas though and the improved policing. I think a minority majority US, if it continues at this rate, is destined for disaster. The poverty rate among minorities isn't really shrinking and education continues to worsen. Can anybody honestly sit here and say that at the rate we allow 3rd world immigration, we are destined to prosper? Christ, just look at us. We are on a sinking ship. Detroit just had its highest murder rate since 1993 last year and may even hit 400 murders with 700,000 people this year. Those are literally 3rd world stats. Crime hasn't really risen yet across the US yet as the recession is still working its way but it's not dropping as dramatically as it did in the mid to late 90s. Some police departments are basically just starting to shrink now. Detroit PD shrunk and now they have an average response time of 24 minutes and like I said are hitting homicides not seen since the early 90s. They are bankrupt. Chicago is about to close 80+ schools. If Chicago starts cutting back on police like Detroit, crime will rise. Just look what they did these past two months. Chicago started 2013 with 43 homicides in January, its highest since 2002, and a continuation from a bloody 2012. In the beginning of February they added 200 police officers from desk duty to the streets and additional officers for overtime and only had 14 murders in February and 17 in March. They have 4 so far in April. But even the city said at this rate they are going to surpass their entire overtime budget by fall so how long this can continue is unknown. So obviously police are playing the big role in the decreasing crime and once they start to shrink I think we're going to definitely see some changes in crime rates and we'd be lying to ourselves if we said demographics don't play a role as well.
A lot of these places reap the economic benefits of surrounding areas though and the improved policing. I think a minority majority US, if it continues at this rate, is destined for disaster. The poverty rate among minorities isn't really shrinking and education continues to worsen. Can anybody honestly sit here and say that at the rate we allow 3rd world immigration, we are destined to prosper? Christ, just look at us. We are on a sinking ship. Detroit just had its highest murder rate since 1993 last year and may even hit 400 murders with 700,000 people this year. Those are literally 3rd world stats. Crime hasn't really risen yet across the US yet as the recession is still working its way but it's not dropping as dramatically as it did in the mid to late 90s. Some police departments are basically just starting to shrink now. Detroit PD shrunk and now they have an average response time of 24 minutes and like I said are hitting homicides not seen since the early 90s. They are bankrupt. Chicago is about to close 80+ schools. If Chicago starts cutting back on police like Detroit, crime will rise. Just look what they did these past two months. Chicago started 2013 with 43 homicides in January, its highest since 2002, and a continuation from a bloody 2012. In the beginning of February they added 200 police officers from desk duty to the streets and additional officers for overtime and only had 14 murders in February and 17 in March. They have 4 so far in April. But even the city said at this rate they are going to surpass their entire overtime budget by fall so how long this can continue is unknown. So obviously police are playing the big role in the decreasing crime and once they start to shrink I think we're going to definitely see some changes in crime rates and we'd be lying to ourselves if we said demographics don't play a role as well.
I just posted examples of majority-minority areas that are doing well, and don't have the crime issues that Detroit, Chicago, and other places have. Blacks might be poorer, but the communities I showed you have Black populations that are wealthier and better educated. My argument is that lack of education, breakdown in families, broken homes, drugs, and poverty play much bigger roles than race itself.
Chicago has a gang problem. Chicago has a drug problem. Missouri City and Cedar Hill don't have such issues.
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No. What I'm saying is that you don't know how affirmative action works. If it worked, there would be fewer unemployed Black people.
Ask yourself this. There are more college educated Blacks than ever before. However, the rate of unemployment for young college educated Blacks is as high as the unemployment rate for young Whites with only a high school education.
And another thing to consider. 50% of White and Asian STEM graduates get jobs related to the STEM industry. However, only 30% of Blacks who graduate with STEM degrees get jobs in the STEM industry. Really think about that.
One might say that until affirmative action is abolished, Black candidates would not be trusted. How come this isn't applying to White females, who benefit from affirmative action the most?
You can't compare whites with HS diplomas to blacks since we number about what six times higher than blacks?
Any way we'll have to agree to disagree. All AA does is discriminate.
I just posted examples of majority-minority areas that are doing well, and don't have the crime issues that Detroit, Chicago, and other places have. Blacks might be poorer, but the communities I showed you have Black populations that are wealthier and better educated. My argument is that lack of education, breakdown in families, broken homes, drugs, and poverty play much bigger roles than race itself.
Chicago has a gang problem. Chicago has a drug problem. Missouri City and Cedar Hill don't have such issues.
I agree that family plays a role but I do think race can play a part as well. Why is it that people acknowledge race when it comes to black peoples ability to run and everything like that and then deny it when it comes to issues they don't like. Race is after all an extended family related by tens of thousands of years of continental isolation. Genetics=DNA and DNA is what makes us us, it determines traits, general bone structure (the idea that black peoples bone structures enables them to run so well for example), even frontal lobe size therefore must from a scientific standpoint play a role in influencing behaviorial patterns.
I agree that family plays a role but I do think race can play a part as well. Why is it that people acknowledge race when it comes to black peoples ability to run and everything like that and then deny it when it comes to issues they don't like. Race is after all an extended family related by tens of thousands of years of continental isolation. Genetics=DNA and DNA is what makes us us, it determines traits, general bone structure (the idea that black peoples bone structures enables them to run so well for example), even frontal lobe size therefore must from a scientific standpoint play a role in influencing behaviorial patterns.
Missouri City,TX: city-data crime index of 134.5, as of 2011. And no murders.
And you sound alot like the persons who wrote The Bell Curve. Well, after the Bell Curve was written, someone else came up with a book debunking the Bell Curve, called Debunking The Bell Curve.
And as for race, the differences between races range between 2-4%, so race could not have a factor.
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