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Old 03-08-2013, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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There will always be a few exceptions. Think macro.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:15 PM
 
Location: California
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If we took religious belief out of the equation would this be an issue? If not, then religious belief is standing in the way of reason and logic. If so, it's a matter of people wanting to micromanage and control things that effect others for their own satisfaction. Rx is Rx, there is zero reason for anyone, ANYONE, to be mucking with it or asking "why" someone is using it. The poster who said "if it's used for another reason it's not birth control"...it is what it is, the reasons someone uses it isn't up for debate. Trying to used "reasons" or "intentions" or "what's in their heart" as a litmus test for anything doesn't fly.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Originally Posted by chielgirl View Post
Did I not say "up to" - why yes, yes, I did. Twice.

Let's see, do you know what average means?
Seems not:
Average - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
1. a : a single value (as a mean, mode, or median) that summarizes or represents the general significance of a set of unequal values
b : mean 1b
2. a : an estimation of or approximation to an arithmetic mean
b : a level (as of intelligence) typical of a group, class, or series <above the average>

Apparently some posters on this thread are below average.

Cost of Birth Control Pills - Consumer Information and Prices Paid - CostHelper.com

Additional costs:
Birth control pills are available only with a prescription; getting one requires visiting a doctor for a pelvic exam and sexually transmitted disease tests. This can cost $35 to $200, or a copay of $10 to $30 for patients covered by health insurance.
Discounts:
Clinics such as those operated by Planned Parenthood offer discounted birth control pills to women who qualify. And most college campus health centers do the same for enrolled students.
In most states, Wal-Mart, Target and Kroger pharmacies offer a limited selection of generic birth control pills for $9 per month.


Costs are "typically" $20-$50.

Doesn't your side hate and demonize PP because they "only" provide abortion services?
Now you're using them as a source (incorrectly, I see - deep discounts apply).
And you want to defund them as another attack on women's health.
My side? I've advocated for national health and I don't care if you want an abortion. I'd hope many of you don't reproduce quite frankly. Just pay your own way.

I've advocated making the Pill more accessible and less costly and you're still playing partisan and sexist games. Typical liberal politics.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Earth
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There will always be a few exceptions. Think macro.
These are not a "few" exception.
But don't let that stop you.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You're late. The suggestion was to make the Pill OTC like it is in many countries and not include in the insurance formulary. If it is $15 on average as an Rx it might drop to $5 per month. Based on stats of women who use the Pill, that's about a buck a fu$$. I think they can pay.
My advice.....don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen here in the US.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Earth
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My side? I've advocated for national health and I don't care if you want an abortion. I'd hope many of you don't reproduce quite frankly. Just pay your own way.

I've advocated making the Pill more accessible and less costly and you're still playing partisan and sexist games. Typical liberal politics.
Apparently, we are on different sides, after all, I'm now a typical liberal.
Hence, you're demonizing us.

I'm not the one playing the sexist games.
When you get a heart attack, cancer, or in a car accident, don't forget to pay your own way, too.
Cholesterol dropping medication, buy your own; PTSD, depression, etc., buy your own.
Self-medicating works so well.
Are you against all medications, or only those affecting women specifically?

Don't forget those lovely christian pharmacists who won't carry or fill prescriptions for women's reproductive choices.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:25 PM
 
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My side? I've advocated for national health and I don't care if you want an abortion. I'd hope many of you don't reproduce quite frankly. Just pay your own way.

I've advocated making the Pill more accessible and less costly and you're still playing partisan and sexist games. Typical liberal politics.
I attempted to quote you in previous posts, but you've contradicted yourself so many times it's hard to make sense of it all.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:27 PM
 
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My advice.....don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen here in the US.
Think of all the teenage pregnancies that would be prevented if the pill was made into an over-the-counter drug like it is in Europe.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:33 PM
 
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My advice.....don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen here in the US.
It could happen. There seems to be at least some support for it.

ACOG - Over-the-Counter Access to Oral Contraceptives
Physicians: Birth control should be sold without a prescription - CNN.com
Health roundup: Over-the-counter birth control pill common worldwide
OB/GYNs back over-the-counter birth control pills
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Think of all the teenage pregnancies that would be prevented if the pill was made into an over-the-counter drug like it is in Europe.
As long as big pharma can make a profit - it's not going to happen.
Do you think that the christian pharmacists will allow them in their stores?
I don't think it's good to just provide bc pills without some blood tests. Not all pills are compatible with all women.

Since trapper wants women to do their part for the economy:
How will we ever maintain the 2.1 replacement if women are given control over their personal reproductive choices?

I'm only half facetious.
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