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Old 03-08-2013, 04:09 AM
 
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Maybe a negative birth rate is killing the nation, also.
So you want to force women to breed because your government can't come up with a new and viable model?
Great.

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I was just about to post the same thing. Have them see a doc. They find a pill that works for them and they pay a few dollars a month OTC.
Different women need different types of BC.
Some cost $95/month.
That's a bit higher than the cost of aspirin.
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Old 03-08-2013, 04:14 AM
 
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Generally speaking humans have a sex drive that is built in and doesn't come with an off switch. So no, "just don't have sex" isn't an answer and only makes you look ignorant about life.
I think the crazy people talking about having no sex are, well, having no sex.
Misery loves company, I suppose.

It shows that they've not availed themselves of the bliss of sexual release.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:21 AM
 
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oh I see

it should be free to any woman

a very anti man post...

the liberals war on men is noted
If the woman is having sex with another woman, then she doesn't need contraception. It's only when she is having sex with a man that there is a need for contraception. Put it another way. It's only when a man is having sex with a woman that there is a need for contraception. Since most men I know like having sex with women, then it can hardly be called a war on men when it's enabling men to get what they want.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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The question is what church does the owner go to. It's the owner who is being forced to pay for something against his religion. Employers have religous preferences and they are entitled to them.

The owners ARE being forced to pay for medical insurance that provides BC. That's the problem.

As to abstinence, sex is a choice and BC is not something used to treat a medical condition. It's a personal choice. Personal choice = personal responsiblity. Now if the BC is being used to treat a medical condition, that's different but just like most abortions are not performed to save the life of the mother, most people using BC are just trying to have sex without getting pregnant. While I"m all for that if you don't want kids, I don't think you employer owes it to you to pay for BC any more than he owes you condoms....
No, it's not. The owners are separate from the business. For instance, the business can be sold. Owners can't be sold. When the owner incorporates that business, he is legally severing himself from the business. So, if the business sells defective merchandise, and a customer sues the business, that customer can't sue the owner. The owner protects his assets by severing his relationship with the business. The owner cannot legally assert his relationship with the business when it suits him, and deny that relationship with the business when it suits him. He makes a decision, that the business is separate, and that means the business is a separate entity. So the question is which church does the business go to. And the answer is none. The business, a thing, doesn't have a religion, doesn't go to church.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:38 AM
 
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Because many religions including catholics want to force you to do as they do in Rome
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:40 AM
 
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And insurance doesn't pay for that. If women can get covered for birth control, men should be able to get condoms covered.
Except that a woman has to go to a doctor and get a prescription for birth control, while you can go to any gas station, supermarket, convenience store, and even some bars that have condom vending machines in the bathrooms to get a condom.

The comparison of condoms to birth control is not equivalent. Condoms to tampons is more equivalent, because condoms, like tampons, have a consistent and singular use. Birth control medications are used for purposes other than birth control. Condoms, like tampons, are readily available, without requiring a doctor's prescription. Condoms, like tampons, are often sold in vending machines in public restrooms.
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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Getting pregnant is a choice, too. And not a medical condition. Why should insurance companies have to cover pregnancies?
Pregnancy isn't a medical condition?
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Old 03-08-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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oh I see

it should be free to any woman

a very anti man post...

the liberals war on men is noted
How is free contraception for women anti-man ? Anything that reduces the risk of unwanted pregnancy is pro-males who want to have intercourse without worrying as much about having a kid, child support, skipping town, std's, etc. He still can't rely totally on the woman using the bc or it working, but still. better than nothing.
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Pregnancy isn't a medical condition?
I wrote that badly. Here's what I meant:


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Likewise, "I want to get pregnant" is a choice. Why should others (esp men who don't get to choose whether to become pregnant) have to pay for another's woman choice in becoming pregnant (as in insurance covering all the medical costs involved with pregnancy).
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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I'll answer your question: What's not to support?

Women. After all, we're all whores.
Men have no culpability.
It's the american christian way.
No, but women are acting like helpless whining children when they won't take responsibiltiy for their own bc. The men will not get pregnant, we will. Just now, in 2013 all of a sudden women become poor little victims who have to be saved by daddy government when we have been doing it ourselves for years.
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