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The study didn't cherry-pick data. It used state data. It didn't leave out Chicago, it's included in the Illinois data.
thats the problem. taking chicago out of the data completely and you will find Illinois gun violence rate to be so much lower. use only chicagos gun violence rate vs other cities and see where it takes the study.
chicagos gun violence rate vs many other states will put chicago over most of the country, and by iteself.
No kidding, everybody knows the only reason to get a gun is because you want to kill somebody, so states with weak gun laws are full of murderous gun owners.
No kidding, everybody knows the only reason to get a gun is because you want to kill somebody, so states with weak gun laws are full of murderous gun owners.
Actually I think it's more that some conservative states tend to have weaker gun laws, and I would suspect that as a group legal gun-owners skew conservative also. On the other hand, some states like those in the North East like Maine, don't have strict gun laws because they don't need them; they have low gun violence to begin with.
Actually I think it's more that some conservative states tend to have weaker gun laws, and I would suspect that as a group legal gun-owners skew conservative also. On the other hand, some states like those in the North East like Maine, don't have strict gun laws because they don't need them; they have low gun violence to begin with.
So your saying right in this post that guns laws have no causation with crime rate.
Contact the mods, lock the thread, nothing else to read.
Explain to me why you feel the exclusion of other clearly pertinent random variables like poverty is appropriate? Another major random variable is single-parent families....again, not used.
They clearly didn't perform any multi-variate analysis, how do you know thier selected variables are appropriate?
Come on, explain to me using your stats knowledge what they did right and wrong and why it is or is not ok?
So, we have some oddly picked stats with unknown weighting used to determine the level of "gun problem" and then it's all being tied back to a SINGLE RANDOM VARIABLE which is some semi-arbitrary gun-law variable. What is the fit? Or in other words what is the statistical significance of that lone variable to predict "gun problems"?
Oh, they also didn't factor in any guide for enforcement of gun-laws, penalties imposed, prevalence of organized crime, density of police coverage....these just off the top of my head.
Basically, defend the statistical appropriateness of the study which you should be able to do with the "lots" of stat classes you've taken.
Explain to me why you feel the exclusion of other clearly pertinent random variables like poverty is appropriate? Another major random variable is single-parent families....again, not used.
They clearly didn't perform any multi-variate analysis, how do you know thier selected variables are appropriate?
Come on, explain to me using your stats knowledge what they did right and wrong and why it is or is not ok?
So, we have some oddly picked stats with unknown weighting used to determine the level of "gun problem" and then it's all being tied back to a SINGLE RANDOM VARIABLE which is some semi-arbitrary gun-law variable. What is the fit? Or in other words what is the statistical significance of that lone variable to predict "gun problems"?
Oh, they also didn't factor in any guide for enforcement of gun-laws, penalties imposed, prevalence of organized crime, density of police coverage....these just off the top of my head.
Basically, defend the statistical appropriateness of the study which you should be able to do with the "lots" of stat classes you've taken.
I make it a practice not to reply to posts that personally insult me...so see ya.
The study didn't cherry-pick data. It used state data. It didn't leave out Chicago, it's included in the Illinois data.
It may not have cherry picked data - but it sure chose to ignore data that is contrarian to their clearly pre-determined conclusion.
It made no attempt to explain that Alaska's inclusion in the top 10 was solely due to its gun suicide rate. I'm sorry but gun suicides are not a threat to you or me.
So your saying right in this post that guns laws have no causation with crime rate.
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No, that's not the case. The study found a statistically significant correlation between the state gun laws and gun violence outcomes.
The study results are in a pdf file so I can't cut and paste the figures,tables, and graphs. But the graph showing this relationship is on page 31 of the report which is here:
of course there will be lower crime in some gun control cities, but on average the crime is higher in gun control states. after all, who in their right mind wants to take a chance on getting shot in a gun friendly state.
All states with weak gun laws, with the exception of Illinois.
Least violent states
Hawaii 1.2
Rhode Island 1.3
Some of the least armed states are also the least violent.
Also, as you can see from the link, NYS, Massachussets and Connecticut are not among the most violent.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching
that is why there are less murders by guns in states like Wyoming and Montana than illinois or NY.
Wow, comparing the two most populous states with two states (Montana and Wyoming) that don't even have 1.000.000 inhabitants... talking about comparing apple with orange...
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