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Detroit is not in a gun control state.
DC crime is fastly declining.
California is not even on the top 20 when it comes to the most murderous states.
NYC is among the safest cities, with San Jose and San Diego.
Chicago crime is quite bad, unfortunately: but there are several cities with higher murder rate.
Anyway, I'll post it again.
FBI data (I repeat: FBI data) Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
see, liberals will always state the states, as they know they will lose when they just mention the cities as it should be. most rural areas in even democrat states tend to be conservative instead of democrat.
why not mention the cities instead of the states, see how your data fairs then.
see, liberals will always state the states, as they know they will lose when they just mention the cities as it should be. most rural areas in even democrat states tend to be conservative instead of democrat.
why not mention the cities instead of the states, see how your data fairs then.
But wouldn't state gun laws also apply in the cities within those states?
If those factors were not statistically controlled for, it would actually make it less likely statistically that they would find a significant result. If you statistically control for a variable, it's like you take some of the noise (variability) out of a signal--you improve your chances of a clear signal.
There was a recent study of "Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Fatalities in the United States" conducted by Harvard researchers in JAMA 2013 that did control for some of those variables, and it also found a relationship between the strength of gun laws and gun violence. Hope this link works:
Lets go down to the funding part of the study. This is usually the first and easiest way to determine a motive in a study.
Funding/Support: Dr Hemenway received funding from the Joyce Foundation to conduct and disseminate research on firearms.
Then we go to The Joyce Foundations website where they list the the guidlines for issuing grants and we scroll down to the gun section to find this
"The Foundation supports local, state, regional, and national projects that:
Advance state-based policy advocacy and organizing to secure effective gun violence prevention policies and practices;
Improve public engagement in support of effective gun violence prevention policies and practices;
Build effective coalitions to secure support for gun violence prevention policy reform among groups most impacted by gun violence;
Support Second Amendment legal strategies to uphold effective gun violence prevention policies and practices; and
Encourage policy-oriented research and data collection to support effective gun violence prevention policies and practices." http://www.joycefdn.org/apply/guidelines/
So you see, they got the money for a specific outcome. This isn't hard, only took me like 4 minutes to put the pieces together.
I can dismiss that outright by looking at their first table. They're looking at only firearms death, not total murders. Dead is dead. They're also including firearms suicides. If someone wants to kill themselves, they have any number of means.
Garbage in garbage out. And since it's from a patently liberal institution they were looking for ways to tilt the numbers to begin with. The methods I mentioned above are only the ones immediatedly visible.
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Originally Posted by ellemint
Take a look at the study I linked to in the post right above yours.
I can dismiss that outright by looking at their first table. They're looking at only firearms death, not total murders. Dead is dead. They're also including firearms suicides. If someone wants to kill themselves, they have any number of means.
Garbage in garbage out. And since it's from a patently liberal institution they were looking for ways to tilt the numbers to begin with. The methods I mentioned above are only the ones immediatedly visible.
including suicides is pointless. by those figures, then Japan should have no suicides at all, instead they have a higher suicide rate than the USA does, and they have almost no firearms in their entire country.
I can dismiss that outright by looking at their first table. They're looking at only firearms death, not total murders. Dead is dead. They're also including firearms suicides. If someone wants to kill themselves, they have any number of means.
Garbage in garbage out. And since it's from a patently liberal institution they were looking for ways to tilt the numbers to begin with. The methods I mentioned above are only the ones immediatedly visible.
If you are interested in the relationship between gun laws and gun violence, you don't look at total murders.
see, liberals will always state the states, as they know they will lose when they just mention the cities as it should be. most rural areas in even democrat states tend to be conservative instead of democrat.
why not mention the cities instead of the states, see how your data fairs then.
Don't blue states have a lot of blue cities? Yet the murder rate is still lower. Your question is pointless.
Let me guess: your head is going to explode because I show you that gun-friendly States have HIGHER crime than those "evil" liberal States?
Truth hurts, does it?
Let me guess: you have always repeated NRA's catch phrases as if they were the word of God.
Anyway, why those States have such a high level of violence?
Aren't all those guns in the hands of the mythical law abiding owner supposed to create crime-free utopias? Isn't Louisiana supposed to be more like Japan when it comes to crime?
Maybe they need MORE guns
including suicides is pointless. by those figures, then Japan should have no suicides at all, instead they have a higher suicide rate than the USA does, and they have almost no firearms in their entire country.
The study only includes firearm suicides, which makes sense. If tighter gun laws make it more difficult for a mentally ill person to obtain a firearm, then there may be an effect on suicide rates. And yes, a person could always use another method. You can go ahead and discount the firearm suicide data, but I agree with the researcher's decision to include it in the study.
Lets go down to the funding part of the study. This is usually the first and easiest way to determine a motive in a study.
Funding/Support: Dr Hemenway received funding from the Joyce Foundation to conduct and disseminate research on firearms.
Then we go to The Joyce Foundations website where they list the the guidlines for issuing grants and we scroll down to the gun section to find this
"The Foundation supports local, state, regional, and national projects that:
Advance state-based policy advocacy and organizing to secure effective gun violence prevention policies and practices;
Improve public engagement in support of effective gun violence prevention policies and practices;
Build effective coalitions to secure support for gun violence prevention policy reform among groups most impacted by gun violence;
Support Second Amendment legal strategies to uphold effective gun violence prevention policies and practices; and
Encourage policy-oriented research and data collection to support effective gun violence prevention policies and practices." http://www.joycefdn.org/apply/guidelines/
So you see, they got the money for a specific outcome. This isn't hard, only took me like 4 minutes to put the pieces together.
It doesn't matter where the funding was from in this case. The study investigators are Harvard professors, and the results were published in a top-tier reliable peer-reviewed medical journal. JAMA does not publish garbage.
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