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He/She asked me a question about 30 times on the CT thread. The question contained the answer so I mentioned that once but ignored the rest of the obvious harrassment.
Considering the high murder rate just across the border in Mexico it is plausible that it spills over into the US. All related to gangs and drugs which are spreading like wildfire across the US.
It is impossible to think with the explosive violence right across that imaginary international border, the crime is not going to leach into the US on the backs of illegal aliens and gangs as they spread across the country. Obviously not all illegal aliens are the source of our crime, however, the practice that allows the good enables the bad and contributes hugely to the problem of violence.
The term "Children' has 'gone by' as have many other words in our language. It no longer means what it originally did. The average age of a gang member is 15. That means there are much younger 'children' that are involved in gang activities....read that as violence. Good term to leave the facts behind and appeal to emotions. Rarley do facts trump emotions in the political arena.
The largest portion of violent crime is committed by 20 to 24 year old males. Most black on black. Hope including demographic variables, the basis for any research, has not been listed as racist.
Many of the states mentioned have the highest prisoner populations and most death row inmates. Prisons have become the "centers of excellence" for criminal education and prepetration of violence. Gun violence is downstream of gang activity. Gangs have been credited with 48 - 90 % of all violent crime.
Read the list in the OP and read the list from the FBI doc. Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Missouri,
Louisianna has the highest population of prisoners in the US! again the center of excellence for violent crime!
Firearm legislation that does not impact the largest portion of the population that commits most of the crimes is a political slight of hand used to fool the stunningly ignorant electorate.
Atlanta, Georgia is the latest drug distribution center.
Chicago lead the US in murder. Gang activity and drugs.
Consider the extremely liberal gun laws in Maine, the safest state in the US. How does ME fit into your argument of weakest gun laws highest crime. How about DC and its violence before the latest court ruling to ease gun restrictions?
Running with stats and using emotional terms without making any cause and effect argument is pure
political propaganda, intellectually and ethically dishonest because it deprives the citizens of a sincere effort to curb violence.
Control gangs and illegal drugs and the firearms would not even be in the news.
"Louisiana is the world's prison capital. The state imprisons more of its people, per head, than any of its U.S. counterparts"
"Despite locking up more people for longer periods than any other state, Louisiana has one of the highest rates of both violent and property crimes. Yet the state shows no signs of weaning itself off its prison dependence."
FBI report 2011: "Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. Major cities and suburban areas experience the most gang-related violence. Local neighborhood-based gangs and drug crews continue to pose the most significant criminal threat in most communities. Aggressive recruitment of juveniles and immigrants, alliances and conflict between gangs, the release of incarcerated gang members from prison, advancements in technology and communication, and Mexican Drug Trafficking Organization (MDTO) involvement in drug distribution have resulted in gang expansion and violence in a number of jurisdictions."
"Law enforcement reporting indicates a significant increase in OMGs in a number of jurisdictions, with approximately 44,000 members nationwide comprising approximately 3,000 gangs.c Jurisdictions in Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, and Virginia are experiencing the most significant increase in OMGs, increasing the potential for gang-related turf wars with other local OMGs. The Wheels of Soul (WOS), Mongols, Outlaws, Pagans and Vagos have expanded in several states."
"Gang-related crime and violence continues to rise. NGIC analysis indicates that gang members are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and much higher in others. Some jurisdictions in Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, and Texas report that gangs are responsible for at least 90 percent of crime. A comparison of FBI Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) 2009 violent crime data and 2010 NGIC gang data illustrates that regions experiencing the most violent crime—including southern California, Texas, and Florida—also have a substantial gang presence (see Figure 1 and Map 1). Street gangs are involved in a host of violent criminal activities, including assault, drug trafficking, extortion, firearms offenses, home invasion robberies, homicide, intimidation, shootings, and weapons trafficking. NDIC reporting indicates that gang control over drug distribution and disputes over drug territory has increased, which may be responsible for the increase in violence in many areas. Conflict between gangs, gang migration into rival gang territory, and the release of incarcerated gang members back into the community has also resulted in an increase in gang-related crime and violence in many jurisdictions, according to NGIC reporting."
Most death row inmates:
LA -11th place
AL - 5th
NC - 6th
AZ - 8th
GA - 9th
SC - 15th
MS - 16th
MO - 17
AR - 18
4 of the states listed are in the most favored by illegal aliens by PEW hispanic center: AL, LA, NM, MO
The bottom line is open your eyes to variables other than the slop fed to you by political hacks and blind, rabid activists who propose nothing to curb gun violence.
Think gangs, drugs and prisons if you want to dramatically redcue gun violence. The legislative nonsense beyond, basic regs, will never make any significant impact in reducing violent crimes as would an effort to approach the problem of gangs, drugs and prisons.
And I have, personally, I mean---worked on reducing community youth violence.
Is murder also illegal? Is assault, robbery, and general violence against others also illegal?
Why are laws not stopping people from committing crimes?
Tell me why a criminal is going to likely follow a law that says they cannot have a firearm or use it? Often it is already illegal for them to possess one as they are likely felons already.
Please TELL ME HOW THEY WILL NOW REALIZE AND FOLLOW THE LAW???
I hope that you gleefully accept being a victim when a criminal approaches and you have no defense because legal ownership of guns has been outlawed. Do you think the criminal will follow that law too?
A new study released yesterday by The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence reported "a clear link between high levels of gun violence and weak state gun laws."
Across the key indicators of gun violence that were analyzed, the 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively had an aggregate level of gun violence more than twice as high—104 percent higher, in fact—than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.
The data analyzed in this report relate to the following 10 indicators of gun violence:
-Overall firearm deaths in 2010
-Overall firearm deaths from 2001 through 2010
-Firearm homicides in 2010
-Firearm suicides in 2010
-Firearm homicides among women from 2001 through 2010
-Firearm deaths among children ages 0 to 17, from 2001 through 2010
-Law-enforcement agents feloniously killed with a firearm from 2002 through 2011
-Aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2011
-Crime-gun export rates in 2009
-Percentage of crime guns with a short “time to crime” in 2009
States were ranked on these indicators and then compared to the ranking of states on the strength of their gun laws.
You can access the report and download fact sheets on the most violent states here:
Look at the saturation of gangs and thugs in the metro areas of most of these states. Its going to be quite high. The high saturation areas are also the areas where most of the gun crimes happen. These weak gun law states attract gangs and thugs, but not for their gun laws, or lack of, because of the locations. Cost of living/ghetto? Social status/gangs?
So, its not weak gun laws causing the gun violence. A class of people, that exist's everywhere, which I call the "culture of violence" crowd tend to live it these states. These states just happen to have weak gun laws. These folks that are part the culture of violence, well, they dont care what the gun laws are. I promise you that they dont move to these states because of the gun laws. Has nothing to do with the gun laws. NOTHING!
Its a violence issue with people. The gun is just a tool used by them. They have lots of other tools too that are not gun. But, you can continue to turn your shoulder to the real issues and keep blaming guns. Blame, cry, squawk, squeal, whine all you want about it, but they aren't going anywhere. The ones you should be concerned about will always gain access to them, illegally. Silly reports like this is just a tactic used to scare the uninformed.
Look at the saturation of gangs and thugs in the metro areas of most of these states. Its going to be quite high. The high saturation areas are also the areas where most of the gun crimes happen. These weak gun law states attract gangs and thugs, but not for their gun laws, or lack of, because of the locations. Cost of living/ghetto? Social status/gangs?
So, its not weak gun laws causing the gun violence. A class of people, that exist's everywhere, which I call the "culture of violence" crowd tend to live it these states. These states just happen to have weak gun laws. These folks that are part the culture of violence, well, they dont care what the gun laws are. I promise you that they dont move to these states because of the gun laws. Has nothing to do with the gun laws. NOTHING!
Its a violence issue with people. The gun is just a tool used by them. They have lots of other tools too that are not gun. But, you can continue to turn your shoulder to the real issues and keep blaming guns. Blame, cry, squawk, squeal, whine all you want about it, but they aren't going anywhere. The ones you should be concerned about will always gain access to them, illegally. Silly reports like this is just a tactic used to scare the uninformed.
As I said, I have worked on gang violence reduction. There are no simple solutions. But things can be done. And I believe that stricter gun control laws would help. How do we know if stricter gun laws might not help reduce gun violence in Louisiana if we never try? There are many studies indicating an association between the strength of gun laws and gun violence, you can go ahead and discount them, but I think that's stupid.
You know how that argument goes...Now I say, "Well then why don't we just get rid of all laws since criminals don't obey them?"
why???
why do liberals want to use strawmen and crap like that
why do liberals think that if a law isnt working they need to ADD ANOTHER LAW on top of it, or use the """Well then why don't we just get rid of all laws since criminals don't obey them?""" agruement, when debating
do liberals really think ADDING a law ON-TOP of an EXISTING law will make it MORE ILLEGAL, and make criminals stop their crimes
most gun crimes are done with guns ILLEGALLY OBTAINED by the criminal...they may have been bought legally by the original owner, by at the time of the crime they were illegal
the favorate weapon of gangs... the UZI, and the MAC10....both VERY DIFFICULT(nearly impossible) to purchase legally in the USA
no law (background check, tiny mags, assault type, etc) would have prevented those nut cases in Co, CT from doing thier mission
A new study released yesterday by The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence reported "a clear link between high levels of gun violence and weak state gun laws."
Across the key indicators of gun violence that were analyzed, the 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively had an aggregate level of gun violence more than twice as high—104 percent higher, in fact—than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.
The data analyzed in this report relate to the following 10 indicators of gun violence:
-Overall firearm deaths in 2010
-Overall firearm deaths from 2001 through 2010
-Firearm homicides in 2010
-Firearm suicides in 2010
-Firearm homicides among women from 2001 through 2010
-Firearm deaths among children ages 0 to 17, from 2001 through 2010
-Law-enforcement agents feloniously killed with a firearm from 2002 through 2011
-Aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2011
-Crime-gun export rates in 2009
-Percentage of crime guns with a short “time to crime” in 2009
States were ranked on these indicators and then compared to the ranking of states on the strength of their gun laws.
You can access the report and download fact sheets on the most violent states here:
A new study released yesterday by The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence reported "a clear link between high levels of gun violence and weak state gun laws."
Across the key indicators of gun violence that were analyzed, the 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively had an aggregate level of gun violence more than twice as high—104 percent higher, in fact—than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.
The data analyzed in this report relate to the following 10 indicators of gun violence:
-Overall firearm deaths in 2010
-Overall firearm deaths from 2001 through 2010
-Firearm homicides in 2010
-Firearm suicides in 2010
-Firearm homicides among women from 2001 through 2010
-Firearm deaths among children ages 0 to 17, from 2001 through 2010
-Law-enforcement agents feloniously killed with a firearm from 2002 through 2011
-Aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2011
-Crime-gun export rates in 2009
-Percentage of crime guns with a short “time to crime” in 2009
States were ranked on these indicators and then compared to the ranking of states on the strength of their gun laws.
You can access the report and download fact sheets on the most violent states here:
In Louisiana a person is killed by a gun on average every 10 hours.
I wonder what that number would be in Chicago? The Murder Capital Of The World? Also, and perhaps NOT coincidentaly, The Gun Control Capital Of The US?
Anyway, it doesn't matter. Freedom isn't free you know, it comes at a price. Yes, granted, it is less safe, but who ever promised you that freedom was the safest route? Nobody.
"Those who would sacrifice essential liberty to gain temporary safety deserve neither" Ben Franklin
All of Obamas major Gun Control initiatives are dead anyway, because as usual, America has come back to it's senses and cooler heads always seem to prevail on this issue. Why are we still discussing it?
If you think states with tighter gun laws are more safe, than here is an idea..... MOVE!!! Go walk the strreets of Chicago and see how far that gets ya. Heres an even better idea, quit trying to change THIS country.... OUR country..... and go move to one that doesn't allow it's citizens accessto firearms. There are plenty to choose from.
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