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The data used in the study originated from the CDC, the FBI, and the ATF. It's public data, and the data from the FBI is the same data used by law enforcement. Even if you don't like the findings of the study, the data is not from a questionable source.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
I've never posted stats. At least when I do post them concerning something I am willing to defend them and not ignore questions about them.
The data used in the study originated from the CDC, the FBI, and the ATF. It's public data, and the data from the FBI is the same data used by law enforcement. Even if you don't like the findings of the study, the data is not from a questionable source.
so if what you say about states having weak gun laws and the murders in those states. per capita, then Wyoming, Montana and Idaho should all have higher murder rates than illinois has, right?
when you compare states you are very correct, but when you compare cities, you are very wrong.
maybe it is because we have the right to bear arms, vs those countries governments in europe and other places that dont want their private citizens to own firearms.
murders happen, the firearm is just a tool, nothing more. if no firearms were on the planet earth, then murders would still happen.
If a firearm was not a particularly lethal tool, then neither you nor anyone else would have reason to own one.
so if what you say about states having weak gun laws and the murders in those states. per capita, then Wyoming, Montana and Idaho should all have higher murder rates than illinois has, right?
It's not what I say, it's what the study reports.
I don't know. You tell me, do those states have weak gun laws? Do they have high murder rates? And remember, the study looked at 10 different measures of gun violence, not just homicide.
I don't know. You tell me, do those states have weak gun laws? Do they have high murder rates? And remember, the study looked at 10 different measures of gun violence, not just homicide.
per capita I am agreeing with you, when it goes by state. but when you compare cities, you are wrong. cities such as NYC and chicago have a much higher murder rates per capita vs cities than have few to no gun control laws.
I would rather live in the country vs living in a hell hole called chicaaago.
also remember that no cop ever has to respond to any 911 call. it doesnt mean they wont, it just means that they dont have to.
That list is incredibly flawed because it was designed from the beginning to identify a link between so-called gun laws and deaths by firearms. This data was not gathered to explain violence, nor violence due to guns.
I do not accept that suicide belongs in these rankings at all. Death to ones self, by any means, is not violence inflicted on someone else. A suicide is no threat to anyone.
Alaska's murder rate is actually well below the median of the US. Alaska, however leads the US in suicide.
Why is Texas gun death rate lower than California? California scores highest on the Brady ranking of gun laws. Texas is near the bottom. The two largest states in the US have similar homicide rates, similar death by gun rates, yet radically different gun laws. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE AT WORK HERE.
What about Utah? Brady rates Utah's gun laws as 0 (zero). Most lax in the country. Yet murder by guns is astonishingly low. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE AT WORK HERE.
Median household income is just as good a predictor of violent death rates as this arbitrary gun law ranking.
What about New Hampshire, practically a neighbor to Connecticut? New Hampshire's strength of gun laws are ranked 6 (very low) vs. CT's 58 (high, even before the new laws). Yet NH's gun murder rate is less than one fifth that of CT. There were only 5 gun murders in NH last year.
maybe it is because we have the right to bear arms, vs those countries governments in europe and other places that dont want their private citizens to own firearms.
Sorry, I don't want to be rude, but could I ask where do you get your info?
From Fox News?
Because you're actually writing a lot of BS: I want to inform you that gun ownership rate is STILL LEGAL in Europe.
What a big surprise, isn't it?
What about New Hampshire, practically a neighbor to Connecticut? New Hampshire's strength of gun laws are ranked 6 (very low) vs. CT's 58 (high, even before the new laws). Yet NH's gun murder rate is less than one fifth that of CT. There were only 5 gun murders in NH last year.
Large parts of NH are mountainous and lightly populated. CT is so densely populated in many areas, you can't tell it from New York City. We have major cities like Hartford and Bridgeport, NH doesn't have anything close.
Urban crime is taken into account in that study. So your point is moot.
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