If abortion is murder... (examples, education, federal government, status)
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Further more we have instituted mercy killings of the disabled and the aged. Morphine over dose or the with holding of fluid and food is used all the time to get rid of old people- old people are unwanted people who are burdensome. Taking care of an old person is like taking care of a child...it seems you have the right to extinguish a 90 year old- but it is a crime to extinguish a 9 month old human who has spent 9 months in the womb? In my black and white mind...I can only see it one way- You either sustain and protect all life old and young - poor and rich...etc...or you don't. Why is a child more important than a person who has already lived a full life? Of course we will say because the child has not yet lived and has the right to a full life...so some adults decide who has a right to life and how does not...old or young?
Just curious--how do you feel about assisted suicide?
I mean where the individual person who is, say, terminally ill or elderly and inform and wishes to end their life.
What is your stance on that?
My sister-in-law died of a very aggressive, horrifically draining and painful cancer a couple years back. Fortunately, she lived in Oregon where assisted suicide is legal. Unfortunately, her paperwork didn't go through before she died so she had to spend her last couple of weeks suffering in needless agony.
Still also wondering where you pulled this out of:
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Originally Posted by Oleg Bach
...If the state takes the children away from neglectful parents ...and put into state "care" - they will continue to be abused and neglected regardless...
...If the state takes the children away from neglectful parents ...and put into state "care" - they will continue to be abused and neglected regardless.
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Originally Posted by Griffis
Still also wondering where you pulled this out of:
To me, it sounds like Russia and Ukraine with their endemic parental alcoholism challenges, and their challenges with some of their state-run orphanages.
If you make abortion illegal, that only means that the institutionalized practice is banned. Do you really think this will stop the act of aborting a pregnancy?
No. For one thing, there could be no laws passed requiring a pregnant woman to look at an ultrasound before getting an abortion, because abortion is banned. Conservatives say this requirement causes a lot of women to change their minds and not get an abortion. So conservatives need to think about how very, very wrong they are for wanting abortion banned.
No. For one thing, there could be no laws passed requiring a pregnant woman to look at an ultrasound before getting an abortion, because abortion is banned. Conservatives say this requirement causes a lot of women to change their minds and not get an abortion. So conservatives need to think about how very, very wrong they are for wanting abortion banned.
Incidentally, calling for banning abortions (which, as pointed out, will never happen across all 50 states anyway) is about as UN-conservative a thing as you can get. It is, in fact, 180 degrees from a conservatve stance...completely antithetical to conservativisim.
Abortion is not legal or formal murder. There is no citizen being killed...but it is killing and it is the maiming of a human being. Regeneration of humanity through the human body that we call re-production signifies that we produce from OUR bodies- both male and female. If we are inter-generational creatures where human life is seen as a constant that spreads over generations...then abortion is much like cutting off a troublesome finger or chopping off a seemingly defective foot. Abortion is the consumption of human flesh - where the ridding of offspring for the supposed sake of personal survival - is akin to cannibalism. We in the west eat our own young to preserve a supposed wonderful future where a child will be a burden and distraction from our personal material success.
It's like Chielgirl said, don't get pregnant or be the sperm donor.
Incidentally, calling for banning abortions (which, as pointed out, will never happen across all 50 states anyway) is about as UN-conservative a thing as you can get. It is, in fact, 180 degrees from a conservative stance...completely antithetical to conservationism.
But I've found it's mostly conservatives who insist that abortion is murder, therefore, it should be banned.
But I've found it's mostly conservatives who insist that abortion is murder, therefore, it should be banned.
True, but the thing is--these people are NOT conservatives.
Conservativism is as dead as Dillinger. It's been dead a long time in this county. The Republican Party completely abandoned actual conservative principles decades ago--sometime back between the Fall of Saigon and the beginning of the Disco Era.
Consider--the last three GOP presidents we've had have been among the LEAST conservative leaders this country has ever seen.
The people claiming to be conservatives today are anything but true conservatives. Rather they are neo-cons. Big Government, Big Brother, nanny-state moral watchdogs.
They are clearly not at all, in any way, politically or fiscally conservative. They ARE socially conservative, but social conservativism has nothing to do with political conservativism.
Let's look at some Republican campaign/talking points and policies from the past few decades:
-Tax cuts for the wealthy--NOT conservative.
- Invading sovereign nations with no justification--NOT conservative.
- Engaging in war, democracy-building, deposing leaders in foreign nations, etc--NOT conservative.
-Creation of Homeland Security Dept. and increase of TSA powers--NOT conservative.
-Promotion of creationist nonsense into school textbooks and curriculum--NOT conservative.
-Endorsing restrictions or illegalization of abortion--NOT conservative.
-Accepting $ and orders from special interest groups, lobbyists, etc.--NOT conservative.
-Precluding same-sex marriages--NOT conservative.
...the list can go on and on.
If a person is truly conservative, the LAST thing they would do is be a member of or support the Republican Party in any way, shape or form.
And to be equitable, the Democratic Party is no better. I want to make it clear I have just as much derision for them as I do the Republican Party.
But anyone claiming to be a conservative who thinks the GOP is at all aligned with actual conservative principles anymore is a moron who doesn't even comprehend what the term "conservative" actually means and is ignorant of the history of conservatvism.
Looks like I might have stumbled upon something important here. Legal abortion might be based in old property law. It is a woman's body (her property)....what is created by her body is also her property. Lets be realistic. The whole premise of abortion and choice is about the woman's right to her own body and product - the right to private property- control of that property...and the choices involved in what to do with that property- to dispose of or conserve.
Face it- If the child - born or unborn is not your property - then the child and YOU are considered property of the state- just a herd animal managed through animal husbandry. Abortion advocates might not realize that they are actually protecting their property...sadly once the child is born...They are part of the states herd of human resources and property of the state - that is the reality.
Property rights are the foundation of legal abortion, as Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, and other supporters of legalizing abortion knew very well. The fetus is indeed the property of the woman which she is free to dispose of.
And banning abortion would be a step towards banning property rights across the board, something that such opponents of abortion as Stalin, Mao, Ceausescu, the Kim family, Pol Pot, the Shining Path, and Daniel Ortega knew all too well (not saying Ortega's as evil as the people I'm grouping him with, but he's unequivocally hostile to private property)
No. For one thing, there could be no laws passed requiring a pregnant woman to look at an ultrasound before getting an abortion, because abortion is banned. Conservatives say this requirement causes a lot of women to change their minds and not get an abortion. So conservatives need to think about how very, very wrong they are for wanting abortion banned.
NO?
If abortion is illegal there is no reason to force a woman to have an ultrasound before "getting an abortion".
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