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Psychology: The last bastion of those who don't want to deal with reality. Also known as the 'medical' discipline that invented such wonderful excuses for doping your kids as ADD and ADHD.
Sorry, but the idea that a t-shirt making a joke about not being able to do math is going to have a permanent effect on someone's ability to excel in the subject falls into the same category as the idea that putting a boy in a pink shirt is going to make him gay. Both are nothing but fertilizer.
Psychology: The last bastion of those who don't want to deal with reality. Also known as the 'medical' discipline that invented such wonderful excuses for doping your kids as ADD and ADHD.
Sorry, but the idea that a t-shirt making a joke about not being able to do math is going to have a permanent effect on someone's ability to excel in the subject falls into the same category as the idea that putting a boy in a pink shirt is going to make him gay. Both are nothing but fertilizer.
when you start disputing the validity of a scientific discipline that has been studied for centuries, you've probably lost your argument.
when you start disputing the validity of a scientific discipline that has been studied for centuries, you've probably lost your argument.
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That's psychiatry.
Fine, take my dispute with psychology out of the equation. Still doesn't change the fact that people are claiming a t-shirt will make or break a girl's ability to achieve high scores in math. Let's take this idea and change it around a little. We'll see how much sense it makes in a different context.
Would either of you agree that the following are true?
Dressing a boy in pink will make him gay.
Cutting a girl's hair too short will make her a lesbian.
If you don't agree with the above sentences, there is absolutely no reason to believe that this t-shirt would cause a girl to be unable to excel at math.
On a side note, I asked my 8-year-old the following question today: What would you say if someone told you that girls can't do math?
She answered: I'd say they don't know what they are talking about, because I'm awesome at math.
Fine, take my dispute with psychology out of the equation. Still doesn't change the fact that people are claiming a t-shirt will make or break a girl's ability to achieve high scores in math. Let's take this idea and change it around a little. We'll see how much sense it makes in a different context.
Would either of you agree that the following are true?
Dressing a boy in pink will make him gay.
Cutting a girl's hair too short will make her a lesbian.
If you don't agree with the above sentences, there is absolutely no reason to believe that this t-shirt would cause a girl to be unable to excel at math.
On a side note, I asked my 8-year-old the following question today: What would you say if someone told you that girls can't do math?
She answered: I'd say they don't know what they are talking about, because I'm awesome at math.
Apples to oranges. A pink shirt without print on it implies nothing about the wearer's sexuality. Cutting a girl's hair too short is not the same as pasting a giant billboard on her chest with the words "Look, I'm a lesbian" on it. This shirt has the obvious message that the girl wearing it is good at shopping but not at math. What kind of parent would buy that for their child?
Ask your daughter instead: "What would you say if your parents bought you a shirt that said that you were not good at math?"
This shirt does not imply the wearer is not good at math. It is no different, as I put in a previous post, the 80's song by Cyndi Lauper "Girls just wanna have fun". Was that song sexist? It should be if this shirt is because thats implying that all girls want to do is have fun and nothing else.
JimRom nailed it on the head.
So if I wore the tshirt form Happy Gilmore "Guns dont kill people, I kill people" does that make me a murderer? How about a boys tshirt that said "cars, fishing, music, and cooking" on it with box in front of knitting left unchecked? Does that imply that boys are no good at cooking?
Those of you that look this much into a kids tshirt should really find something else to do with your time. An offenseive tshirt I could see pulling off the shelves but this??? cmon. In fact, Im gonna have my wife run out today and see if there are any left so we can get one for my daughter to wear.
Apples to oranges. A pink shirt without print on it implies nothing about the wearer's sexuality. Cutting a girl's hair too short is not the same as pasting a giant billboard on her chest with the words "Look, I'm a lesbian" on it. This shirt has the obvious message that the girl wearing it is good at shopping but not at math. What kind of parent would buy that for their child?
Ask your daughter instead: "What would you say if your parents bought you a shirt that said that you were not good at math?"
I showed it to her. She thought it was funny and asked if she could get one.
as far as the shirt, I'm on the fence. If it just listed the other things and not math, it might be cute, but the fact that they listed math and then left it unchecked is disturbing. To be honest though, had I seen it in the store I'd probably just roll my eyes and not give it a second thought.
That's how I feel.
Pulling this shirt and others of its ilk simply reinforces the idea that kids have to be protected from parents too dim to know better or too weak to say "no" when their kids ask for something that is in poor taste.
They need to be saved from themselves, is that it?
That's what it's been whittled down to; parent are just tacky. Lol!
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