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Old 08-23-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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Says the person who's entire thread is based on Bull$%$
My thread is simply a question, to which for some reason you're getting all defensive about.

 
Old 08-23-2013, 04:13 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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My thread is simply a question, to which for some reason you're getting all defensive about.
because the frequency of threads like this get irritating after a while, maybe you werent race baiting and you honestly didnt know other months existed, but you still should have taken the time to research the argument you were about to make.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I ignore all holidays/history months anyway. They're all useless.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Because white people weren't slaves who fought for freedom and then activists who fought for their rights. That's why.
It would be inaccurate to portray the majority of black slaves in the U.S. as having fought for freedom. Some certainly did but the majority accepted their position, life, and future in that racial caste system.

The Civil Rights Movement was a multiracial movement as well. Or probably b-racial given it was mostly blacks and whites marching or riding "freedom" buses in that movement.

But White-Americans had a fought for other rights related to themselves (mostly themselves, not that no black unions and labor fighters didn't exist). I'm thinking of the labor movements. Some of which turned bloody with U.S. soldiers and hired Pinkerton men firing on crowds of women and men protesting outside the factories that employed them.

I'm mulatto but I don't like Black History Month. For a number of reason.

It is primarily propaganda driven. It's intentions is to arouse a collective sense of pride. The method used to doing that is being selective about what one picks as "black history" and constructing a "triumphalistic" narrative of black history.

You can use "history" to arouse shame in a category of people too. Again, selecting what you want as "history."

As an example, "The history of Christianity" would be used as propaganda to shame Christians, as perceived faults would be highlighted. The murderous rampage of the Crips will never be placed inside "Black History" but the Salem witch trials would make it into "Christian history" as well as the KKK would be placed into Christian history.

The other thing I don't like... is that real black history is too expansive to teach in a single month or to do justice to in short paragraphs. History our be taught and studied throughout life, throughout a person's life.

The history of capitalism and labor is important to U.S. history too but I doubt any of that is taught to most teenage students. There was a time many of those teenager would not be sitting in a classroom but out laboring in a factory in the United States.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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First I should mention that I think all history months based around a group of people is stupid. Why can't history just be taught as history? Why do people (mainly liberals) feel the need to put labels on people and put them in boxes?

I think there's a double standard in our society. It's not racist for black history month to exist, but people would freak out if somebody tried to make a white history month, it's not racist for black people to be proud of being black, but it's considered racist if a white person is proud to be white?

Why is this?
Whose his story do you think has been taught for the last 200 years? I guess that the absence of black inventors, explorers and scientist is ok with you? I guess the lie of Christopher Columbus "discovering" the americas is all the truth that you can handle. If the truth was told in the first place Black history would not have been needed in the first place. Why do you think blacks and their acheivements throughout history were ommitted in the first place?
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Whose his story do you think has been taught for the last 200 years? I guess that the absence of black inventors, explorers and scientist is ok with you? I guess the lie of Christopher Columbus "discovering" the americas is all the truth that you can handle. If the truth was told in the first place Black history would not have been needed in the first place. Why do you think blacks and their acheivements throughout history were ommitted in the first place?
I don't think there is anything wrong with people of European descent crediting Christopher Columbus with the discovery of the Americas for Europe.

And very little "white history" is taught at anytime throughout any academic year in elementary and secondary schools.

There was a long standing bias against blacks throughout the curriculum of U.S. schools dating back many decades before the 1970s. The rare exception to this was elementary and secondary schools run by Catholic nuns for Black-American children, and schools and HBCUs run by Black-Americans themselves.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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First I should mention that I think all history months based around a group of people is stupid. Why can't history just be taught as history? Why do people (mainly liberals) feel the need to put labels on people and put them in boxes?

I think there's a double standard in our society. It's not racist for black history month to exist, but people would freak out if somebody tried to make a white history month, it's not racist for black people to be proud of being black, but it's considered racist if a white person is proud to be white?

Why is this?



It's not racist of a white person to be proud but why do we need a white history month. We had all the rights we wanted. Blacks were brought here as slaves and fought tooth and nail to be equal. And against all odds many blacks made significant contributions to our society which most of our society wants recognized and remembered. What's wrong with that. Besides blacks make up I think 13% of our population. I just don't see it as a double standard.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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Exactly, no one ever cares about other ethnicities or races having a history month only black history month makes the haters angry.
I guess that makes me an equal opportunity 'hater.'

I think a new month should be established -- "B.S. Awareness Month." That's how many rational folks perceive any month 'dedicated' to an ethnic/racial group.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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First I should mention that I think all history months based around a group of people is stupid. Why can't history just be taught as history? Why do people (mainly liberals) feel the need to put labels on people and put them in boxes?

I think there's a double standard in our society. It's not racist for black history month to exist, but people would freak out if somebody tried to make a white history month, it's not racist for black people to be proud of being black, but it's considered racist if a white person is proud to be white?

Why is this?
It's called white guilt. If you're liberal, it's considered sophisticated and intellectual to be ashamed of the wrongs your race committed in the past. It shows you are a morally superior person. Same thing can be seen when they criticize Christians but say nothing about Muslims and their sharia law.
 
Old 08-23-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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It's called white guilt. If you're liberal, it's considered sophisticated and intellectual to be ashamed of the wrongs your race committed in the past. It shows you are a morally superior person. Same thing can be seen when they criticize Christians but say nothing about Muslims and their sharia law.
What does this have to do with having a white history month? And what does white guilt have to do with any of this. This has nothing to do with the wrongs of the past. This has to do with black heritage and what they brought to this country. They just want to celebrate that. Where does liberal fit in with this
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