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Old 09-02-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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Wrong again. Selling a wedding cake under any circumstance - wholesale, retail, custom ordered, made on-site, made off-site - is a transaction in goods. A cake is a good, not a service.
And the bakery provides a SERVICE!

 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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And the bakery provides a SERVICE!
No, it doesn't. It sells goods.

Not that it really matters for this conversation. The Oregon law applies both to businesses that sell goods (such as a bakery) and businesses that provide services.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Seems there are some low IQ people out there who think cakes just up and make themselves!

They call these people..............liberals.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:22 PM
 
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No, it doesn't. It sells goods.

Not that it really matters for this conversation. The Oregon law applies both to businesses that sell goods (such as a bakery) and businesses that provide services.
And specialties such as Wedding Cakes can be considered a service. If they do deliveries, That is a service.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:25 PM
 
Location: California
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Common sense says you can't force someone to bake you a cake if they don't want to...nor should you want them to. I mean, would YOU eat that cake? Hahaha.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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And specialties such as Wedding Cakes can be considered a service. If they do deliveries, That is a service.
Sure, I guess you and Bentbow can consider selling wedding cakes to be a transaction involving a service (as ridiculous as that is). But in reality it is not, and the laws of every jurisdiction in the US (under the Uniform Commercial Code) consider it to be a transaction in goods. I quoted the law in a previous post if you want to go back and read it.

But again, it really is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The Oregon law covers both businesses that sell goods or provide services.

For example, let's say a plumber advertised in the yellow-pages that he unclogs drains. He can't, under the Oregon law, show up to unclog the drain and then say "Well, I was going to unclog your drain, but now that I realize this is a gay household, I will not. It's against my religious belief to aid a homosexual in defecating in a functioning toilet."
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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Sure, I guess you and Bentbow can consider selling wedding cakes to be a transaction involving a service (as ridiculous as that is). But in reality it is not, and the laws of every jurisdiction in the US (under the Uniform Commercial Code) consider it to be a transaction in goods. I quoted the law in a previous post if you want to go back and read it.

But again, it really is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The Oregon law covers both businesses that sell goods or provide services.

For example, let's say a plumber advertised in the yellow-pages that he unclogs drains. He can't, under the Oregon law, show up to unclog the drain and then say "Well, I was going to unclog your drain, but now that I realize this is a gay household, I will not. It's against my religious belief to aid a homosexual in defecating in a functioning toilet."
I'm aware of that.
And that law is DISCRIMINATING against the plumber's religious beliefs.

"Ok for me but not for thee"
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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I'm aware of that.
And that law is DISCRIMINATING against the plumber's religious beliefs.

"Ok for me but not for thee"
No it's not. Unclogging a drain for profit is a commercial activity, not a religious one.
 
Old 09-02-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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I'm aware of that.
And that law is DISCRIMINATING against the plumber's religious beliefs.

"Ok for me but not for thee"
You are aware religious freedom is not absolute right?
 
Old 09-02-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Homosexuals are not sterile. We can, and do, reproduce.
More importantly, gay and lesbian couples are raising kids and nurturing families.
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