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You are aware religious freedom is not absolute right?
Yes I do.
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Originally Posted by hammertime33
No it's not. Unclogging a drain for profit is a commercial activity, not a religious one.
It can be. If the owner of the business disagrees with two people of the same sex living together and being intimate(because of Christian values), he should have the right to refuse service.
It can be. If the owner of the business disagrees with two people of the same sex living together and being intimate(because of Christian values), he should have the right to refuse service.
I don't see how disagreeing with two people of the same sex living together morphs the act of unclogging a drain for profit from a commercial activity into a religious activity.
Making and selling a wedding cake = selling a product. It is a finished product, ready for consumption. Baker broke the law, pure and simple, however bigoted and dictatorial this law is.
Baker is obligated to follow the law, and worked through legals avenues to overturn it.
It does bother me that PC even in business has become coercive, and not discretionary. This is a lesson for other businesses too -- Comply with a dominant social agenda or norm, or you will be punished. That's the message. Select laws have become instruments for ideological coercion. Others call it social engineering of behavior. It is definitely dictatorial / tyrannical in nature.
Looks like the people have spoken with their wallets, I am sure the Cons on here will have respect for that. It was definitely a stupid business move on their part to try an cut out a large market.
Large market? Yeah right, same sex wedding cakes apparently made up zero percent of their market before they were sued and forced to make them. I doubt it is ever a large part of any cake market outside of San Francisco.
Wrong again. Selling a wedding cake under any circumstance - wholesale, retail, custom ordered, made on-site, made off-site - is a transaction in goods. A cake is a good, not a service.
I'm not arguing that point. I'm correcting your definitions of two different type of businesses.
I'm not arguing that point. I'm correcting your definitions of two different type of businesses.
Service oriented vs. Retail sales.
I don't understand why you're doing that. I never incorrectly defined two different types of businesses.
I was simply refuting another poster who said that selling a wedding cake is a service, and that as a service, the providing of the wedding cake service didn't fall under the Oregon law.
And again, I didn't really even need to refute that. It doesn't really matter under Oregon law whether the business is selling goods or providing services - in both cases the business is beholden to this anti-discrimination statute.
And yet I have children, with my genes. So my genes are passed on.
homosexuality is not genetic.
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