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Old 09-13-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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No, it won't. There are divisions amongst the conservatives. There are constitutional conservatives, fiscal conservatives, libertarian conservatives, neocons, social conservatives, establishment conservatives, and the religious right. But all of us have in common the fact that we dislike you more than we dislike each other.

I, for example, am a libertarian/constitutional conservative. I support gay marriage, support legalizing marijuana, support equal rights for women and minorities. But still I would vote for Richard Nixon before I'd vote for you. I don't like neocons like Karl Rove and George Bush. But while I dislike them, I absolutely loathe your bigoted, dishonest, power hungry, anti-freedom, anti-education, anti-energy independence ilk. You've been leading this country into recession and war for decades.
But a lot of conservatives want to push the social issues and the moderates do not. And that's a bid divide. I think most of us would like smaller government that republicans run on. The problem is once they start talking about social issues they turn a lot of people off.
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Old 09-14-2013, 01:55 AM
 
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McCain received 59,948,323 votes in 2008. Obama received 65,915,796 votes in 2012.

Romney also got more votes than McCain. This myth that somehow conservatives didn't show up in 2012 is just a myth.
I googled it and got slightly different numbers than you. I was incorrect in that I had heard that voter turnout was so much lower that both candidates received fewer votes than the candidates in 2008, but of course that was right after the election and probably not all the votes had been tallied yet. Whatever. It still shows McCain getting nearly the same votes in '08 as Romney did in '12, and that in a year when all the excitement was on the Democrat side after eight years of Bush and first black man to make it past a primary season. Romney got a pretty respectable turnout in 2012, considering many conservatives either stayed home or voted libertarian to send a message. I guess they didn't feel there was enough contrast between Romney and Obama (though I disagree). Here's the numbers I found:

McCain '08 - 58,343,671
Obama '08 - 66,882,230

Romney '12 - 58,798,935
Obama '12 - 62,154,025

All sites stated that voter turnout was lower in 2012, and that's with 9,000,000 newly eligible voters (that's counting all eligible, not necessarily registered).

I have no love for Ted Cruz, but I do like politicians that stand for something no matter the cost to them. I'd have to see what his positions are on certain things before I could make up my mind on him, but I really hope he doesn't run for president in 2016. That's just too short a time in the senate. I didn't like it when Obama did that either.
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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But a lot of conservatives want to push the social issues and the moderates do not. And that's a bid divide. I think most of us would like smaller government that republicans run on. The problem is once they start talking about social issues they turn a lot of people off.
And the dems/*******s dont?
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Old 09-15-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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I googled it and got slightly different numbers than you. I was incorrect in that I had heard that voter turnout was so much lower that both candidates received fewer votes than the candidates in 2008, but of course that was right after the election and probably not all the votes had been tallied yet. Whatever. It still shows McCain getting nearly the same votes in '08 as Romney did in '12, and that in a year when all the excitement was on the Democrat side after eight years of Bush and first black man to make it past a primary season. Romney got a pretty respectable turnout in 2012, considering many conservatives either stayed home or voted libertarian to send a message. I guess they didn't feel there was enough contrast between Romney and Obama (though I disagree). Here's the numbers I found:

McCain '08 - 58,343,671
Obama '08 - 66,882,230

Romney '12 - 58,798,935
Obama '12 - 62,154,025

All sites stated that voter turnout was lower in 2012, and that's with 9,000,000 newly eligible voters (that's counting all eligible, not necessarily registered).

I have no love for Ted Cruz, but I do like politicians that stand for something no matter the cost to them. I'd have to see what his positions are on certain things before I could make up my mind on him, but I really hope he doesn't run for president in 2016. That's just too short a time in the senate. I didn't like it when Obama did that either.
Those vote totals for 2012 are incorrect. President Obama received over 65million almost 66million votes and Rmoney recieved over 60million votes maybe even 61million votes.

Ted Cruz is insane and no one likes Ted Cruz after hearing him speak. He has no chance to be President.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Is Ted Cruz purposely trying to take down the Republican Party?

Rafael Cruz is all about one thing:

Rafael Cruz


Never forget that about this shameless camera hog.
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Old 09-15-2013, 05:27 PM
 
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What's radical about wanting smaller government? Or not wanting to pay more taxes to wasteful government spending? Or disliking a healthcare plan that's destroying the 40-hour work week and raising premiums? I essentially got a $20,000/yr pay cut because my husband's family insurance plan was raised so high. And if I get private insurance, it's more like a $15,000 pay cut with far less coverage. Why, because the "Affordable" Care Act was so poorly written and rushed through that is sucks! Even the unions and government staffers hate it, but that's okay, because they get waivers. It's only for us peons to follow the law.

If it's abortion you're talking about, well, we've had Republicans in power for over 20 years and abortion remained legal. Making it a more thoughtful process isn't really that bad considering people are snuffing out the life of a human being. I think early sonograms have proven that it's not just a zygote, or clump of cells. It's a living thing.
Very well stated, and good for you. I hope you have or are planning to procreate ... because we need an infusion of intelligent, compassionate, wise and thoughtful people to counter balance the dreadful accumulation of soulless idiots who celebrate every dastardly and depraved move of the left.
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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But a lot of conservatives want to push the social issues and the moderates do not. And that's a bid divide. I think most of us would like smaller government that republicans run on. The problem is once they start talking about social issues they turn a lot of people off.
This is just one aspect of the delusions you people on the left suffer from. Conservatives do not want government forcing it's will upon the public regarding social/personal matters!!! This is PRIMARILY the cause taken up by the LIBERALS ... not conservatives.

And lets be clear about the difference between real conservatives and false ones that are just as left wing as the democrats. The facts are, the essence of conservative thought is the observance of tradition, and the cautious approach to change. It's not that conservatives are against change per se, just not in favor of change for change sake. Before changing a thing that has been well established and proven successful for a long time, careful consideration is the wise choice, along with entertaining such change only if a compelling reason to make such a change actually exists.

Thomas Sowell said it best when defining the error of leftist ideology when he said "much of the social history of the west for the past three decades has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good". There are other similar and simple yet profound axioms such as "don't fix something that isn't broken" ... or "no need to reinvent the wheel". This is what the left represents ... the constant tinkering and radical changes to well established principles that have proven successful over time, totally discarded for new ways that are neither proven nor even well considered, which very often result in negative if unintended consequences.

For example, whatever your personal stance is on religion, the system we've had established in this country has served the majority well, for a very, very, long time. We haven't had to deal with religion dominating our government policies .... the constitution's 1st amendment established the freedom of religion, which has allowed all religious and non religious groups to coexist peacefully, unlike so many other countries suffering religious wars and even infighting amongst sects of the same religion, or persecuting and even killing non-believers .... yet, in the most recent modern times, the left wing attack upon religion has been incessant and irrational ... to the extreme that you all have demanded "In God We Trust" be removed from the almost worthless paper currency .... apparently clueless to the reality that we certainly do have major problems with our currency, but the word God is not one of them. You all have gone so far as to demand that "one nation, under God" be removed from the damned pledge of allegiance, as if it were pornography .. no strike that .. if it were pornographic, you all would have no problem with it. You all scream bloody murder at the sight of a freaking Christmas Tree .... the list of insane and childish behaviors relative to religion is as endless as it is absurd. You all have so twisted the meaning of "freedom of religion" to the point that many of you actually believe that it really guarantees you "freedom FROM religion" .. which is the EXACT OPPOSITE. You all don't even recognize the Orwellian nature of your own backward thinking that has twisted your reality into the shape of a pretzel.

But there are unintended consequences to such behavior ... and your constant attack on others beliefs will and has resulted in a response, and a backlash. So now, instead of everyone living in peace, we have a raging battle .... that YOUR SIDE INSISTED on creating. The underlying reality is that religion of some sort or form is an obvious psychological need for a very large majority of human beings, proven by the prevalence of so many religions, and their longevity over the THOUSANDS OF YEARS of human history, and an unknown consequence may indeed exist should a band of left wing religion haters get their way to outlaw it. That could have backfiring repercussions no one on the left anticipated.

That's just one example of the dogmatic nature of the left, and their inability to see the extreme hypocrisy in claiming that the other side is interfering in their personal lives, as they march and promote every hair brained perversion imaginable, when they aren't trying to impose bans on everything from tobacco, to guns to the very words people can be allowed to speak.
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Old 09-15-2013, 11:46 PM
 
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Actually Mr. Cruz, we need 100 more like you and bye bye Republican Party. That's some good rebranding of the party that you've got goin' on there...
Maybe you're just picking on him because he's hispanic.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:05 AM
 
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Maybe you're just picking on him because he's hispanic.
Yeah, that's why
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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Yeah, that's why
You're probably waiting for Biden to tell you if he's clean enough.
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