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Old 10-27-2013, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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The swastika in antiquity was a symbol of good luck and prosperity.

The Confederate flag represents Southern pride and culture.

Why should those symbols be unable to be displayed just because some people co-opted them in a negative light?
Agreed.

[what next, banning the TV show Dukes of Hazzard?]
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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The swastika in antiquity was a symbol of good luck and prosperity.

The Confederate flag represents Southern pride and culture.

Why should those symbols be unable to be displayed just because some people co-opted them in a negative light?
Pride about what? And what culture?

What is "southern pride?" And if there's a such thing, then define what northern pride is. Then tell me what southwestern pride is. How about mid-Atlantic pride?

And culture? What culture exists in the south that doesn't exist elsewhere? And take the nonsense about food out of it.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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I realize they have the right to fly the flag, but my objection is to the idea of honoring a history of slavery. No matter how you slice it, those states seceded because they wanted to continue owing slaves. Call it state's rights, but it's still the right to own slaves.
The problem as presented isn't whether or not you understand it but rather if others can stop individuals who feel different than they do in expressing those beliefs?
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And take the nonsense about food out of it.
How can Harrier "take something out" that he never mentioned?

Maybe you can explain what you are talking about?
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The student should be expelled if he fails to comply. A university, like any business, has the same rights to declare what it deems offensive.

He can fly the flag freely..in his bedroom at home.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Pride about what? And what culture?

What is "southern pride?" And if there's a such thing, then define what northern pride is. Then tell me what southwestern pride is. How about mid-Atlantic pride?

And culture? What culture exists in the south that doesn't exist elsewhere?
Here is a good book that might help answer your questions.

The Nine Nations of North America: Joel Garreau: 9780380578856: Amazon.com: Books
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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How can Harrier "take something out" that he never mentioned?

Maybe you can explain what you are talking about?
You said the flag represented southern pride and southern culture.

What culture exists in the south that doesn't exist elsewhere in this country?

And southern pride about what? If i live in Mississippi and you live in Vermont, what am i supposed to have pride about that you aren't? That my state happens to be below some imaginary line?
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The student should be expelled if he fails to comply. A university, like any business, has the same rights to declare what it deems offensive.
Harrier agrees.

It is the same for a business that makes wedding cakes or photographs weddings has the right to deny their services to a gay marriage ceremony.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Harrier sees that New York University is a private institute of higher education.

He will defend their right to have the flag not be displayed.

This is not a first amendment issue.

The student will likely lose his lawsuit, if he files one.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
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O.K., so do you also agree that a business that makes wedding cakes or photographs weddings has the right to deny their services to a gay marriage ceremony?

After all in your words, "a business has the right to declare what it deems offensive".
within the bounds of EEOC regulations. So to answer your question, it would depend on whether that refusal violated EEOC. Dumb student wanting to fly the Confederate flag does not fall under EEOC.

In retrospect, we should have passed a law making the process of producing Confederate flags an act of treason when we accepted their surrender to the union. Non acceptence should have meant more Sherman marches to cities like Atlanta. Just like Japan and German, these enemies should have had just one out-absolute, unconditional surrender.
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