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Old 11-21-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Historically, voters have the attention span of a fruit fly. What was an issue yesterday will be long forgotten by tomorrow.
In any case the senate filibuster rule was being abused by republicans during this administration. That's not to say Dems never abused it in congressional history.
It is not part and parcel of the constitution. It was a senate by law, instituted by the senate and able to be modified or rescinded by the senate.
Anybody who doesn't think that the republicans would have applied the nuclear option to the filibuster as soon as they took charge is either in total denial or a conservative republican telling fibs.
Truth is, Harry Reid beat the republicans at their own game. I don't see one post here saying that since what Harry did is so evil, the republicans will immediately restore the filibuster rules as soon as they gain senatorial power.

The results of all this is that senate democrats will finally be able to get something done in the Senate and that really, really gets up the republican's nose. Too bad, So sad.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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Sure! I love irony Especially when I'm right...

As I said before, feel free to come back and make me eat humble pie in twelve months.
What's your recipe for humble pie when Obama is president until 2017?
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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I hope you can appreciate the irony that while correctly mocking the knobs that though Romney had a chance despite the polls.....that you are basically discarding the polls.

You sound a whole bunch like a 2004 republican....Bush had just gotten re-elected...the democrats were going the way of the dodo blah blah blah.

Wait....didn't we hear the same thing in 2008 after the election of Obama? Death of the GOP, blah, blah, blah. Then the GOP took the House in 2010. FFW a couple of years, and Obama is reelected, same blather about death of the GOP, and the GOP retained the House.

Sort of works both ways if you view it in perspective.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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What's your recipe for humble pie when Obama is president until 2017?
Two cups of reality, a teaspoon of fact, and one large, ripe being correct, diced
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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And when they do win more elections and have the votes in Congress, don't come whining to me what the Democrats did now allows the Republicans to change the rules... you can't have it one way..



Apparently you have a poor concept of understanding that there is NOTHING to prevent the Republicans from doing the nuclear option on legislation... do you think nominating judges was a good enough reason to destroy a system? Because apparently the Democrat party thought so... you can't stop an avalanche that the Democrat party started... it all starts small, the end result is always the same...

Actually, if the Republicans do the same thing the Democrats did if they get the majority, I will be fine with that because--well, they have the majority and earned the right to set the rules. I might disagree with some of the Republican nominees, but if the public showed their approval of Republicans in the most recent election by giving them a majority of seats, then I will sit back and hope for the best and wish good fortune on our new Republican president and Republican Senate.

I'm not trying to "have it both ways" at all. I think you're putting words in my mouth here, but I mean no malice towards Republicans at all. Minority rights are important, but the majority is what sets the agenda. Otherwise, the 59 will always be stymied by the 41 in the Senate, and that's not right.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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So why now? What is coming that they needed the nuke option for?

This isnt going to be good.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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So why now? What is coming that they needed the nuke option for?

This isnt going to be good.
What is coming is that they want to fill vacant court and cabinet positions for which Republicans admit they will filibuster every single nominee that comes their way.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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Republicans are mad now, but whenever they get the majority they will be happy the Democrats did this -- Really the Democrats have done something that should've been done ages ago, and I don't see it being undone.

I have always been against the filibuster. If people don't like what's going on, they can vote the party out of power in the next election. We don't need to give the minority party so much power. Parliamentary democracies don't give the minority ANY power.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Default Blatant Hypocrisy: Watch Senate Democrats AND Obama Oppose Stripping Filibuster in 2005!

What's good for me is not so much good for thee....



Blatant Hypocrisy: Watch Senate Democrats AND Obama Oppose Stripping Filibuster in 2005! | Independent Journal Review
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The justification used by Obama was more disturbing than a change in the senate rules that stood since the 1700s. The dems are not willing to negotiate and will seek out short term objectives to install a socialist agenda. The bill will never come due if thet are successful and they have bet their lives on winning.
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