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The justification used by Obama was more disturbing than a change in the senate rules that stood since the 1700s. The dems are not willing to negotiate and will seek out short term objectives to install a socialist agenda. The bill will never come due if thet are successful and they have bet their lives on winning.
The filibuster is the misuse and exploitation of a wrinkle of parliamentary procedure which was never intended to be used to require super majorities to pass any legislation in the Senate. The rule in question came into being in 1806, not the 1700s and wasn't exploited to demand super-majorities for a vote on legislation until the 1830s.
That would be because the historic, obstructionist abuse by the GOP of the filibuster -- something no one had ever tried before and which people of good will had never imagined could ever happen -- hadn't started yet.
The filibuster is the misuse and exploitation of a wrinkle of parliamentary procedure which was never intended to be used to require super majorities to pass any legislation in the Senate. The rule in question came into being in 1806, not the 1700s and wasn't exploited to demand super-majorities for a vote on legislation until the 1830s.
Oh golly, you're gonna make the little RWNJs really scramble to spin this a bit harder. Oh well, at least they'll get a good workout, all that twisting and turning.
2005 "Sen. Dianne Feinstein: “The nuclear option, if successful, will turn the Senate into a body that could have its rules broken at any time by a majority of Senators unhappy with any position taken by the minority. It begins with judicial nominations. Next, will be executive appointments. And then, legislation.â€
I learned everything I know about the nuclear option from D Fieinstein
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Just like they will stick it to you when a republican is in office. Reid just opened up a can of worms and you are all for it just because Democrats did it. Obama is loving this.
Was it not Reid, Hillary and Obama in 2005 that said that the nuclear option should not be used because it was unfair to the people we represent. Love how when the shoe is on the other foot it's OK.
I predict my party is again using this to deflect attention away from Obamacare's problems but have no idea that they have just lost themselves any chance of winning future elections.
In the past if the Senate didn't like an appointee because they were too moderate or too liberal - the President ( Bush, Clinton ect..) would nominate another not so far from the center - not Obama - it's his way or the highway - push it through and unfortunately the rest of your party will suffer - but does he care - no because he won't be running again and all the appointees who were also big bundled backers will owe him. I don't think I have ever disliked a President let alone a Democrat as much in my 56 years.
Well genius, I was refering to the Ted Cruz government shutdown that the republicans manufactured in the house so recently.
I actually read the link I posted in the OP and it only applies to judicial appointments, not including the Supreme Court and not legislation.
Then the poster was correct, and you just contradicted yourself. This would have done nothing to stop Cruz from his filibuster.
Furthermore, the pendulum swings both ways, and this is setting up a president that both parties will abuse, and cause an even bigger divide. We are witnessing the end of bi-partisan politics.
The Democrats fear their majority in the Senate will evaporate in November, and they're doing exactly what they did when they rammed through Obamacare in a totally partisan fashion. I'm sick of both parties ignoring the people, but this is really showing how little regard some have for the Constitution. Reid is by far the worst Senator since McCarthy.
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2005 "Sen. Dianne Feinstein: “The nuclear option, if successful, will turn the Senate into a body that could have its rules broken at any time by a majority of Senators unhappy with any position taken by the minority. It begins with judicial nominations. Next, will be executive appointments. And then, legislation.”
Isn't it funny how their agendas change when they are the minority. I guarantee that as soon as Republicans control both branches of Congress, the Democrats will whine about how the super-majority needs to be reinstated. It really is a circus in DC.
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lol - this is really going to bite the democrats in their nether region when the republicans take over the senate in next year's election.
Exactly right, if everything is as it seems. I have a sinking feeling there's something far more sinister going on.
Sorry but its one thing to oppose ending the filibuster when its being used moderately. Its another when its being used to basically stop the government from functioning.
For those that like comparisons-
my city has noise limits that start around 10 pm. This has worked well overall.
New neighbor moves in, plays chainsaw noises over loudpeakers set .1 decibal under any other limit that might exist, from 7 am to 10 pm......every day.
For years.
And when I complain he says "hey this is the agreement we have in this city, and you better not change it because when YOU want to do this someday you wont be able too".
Unfortunately this current amendment to filibustering is relegated to just appointees to the courts. Filibusters have been part of the American political process for a long time but its been a few here a few there, current repubs have used the procedure as an obstructionist tactic to literally prevent government from functioning and not in the spirit the procedure was originally intended, as close to 500 filibusters have been initiated by the repubs since Obama came to office some change to the procedure was inevitable..
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