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Some people don't want to have a rational disucussion on controlling Medicare costs. Their discussion is more like cut the benefits for everyone else but leave Medicare as it is for me....might as well call it Republicare.
Why are you so fixated on Medicare? It's a Democrat program, ergo it's great. LBJ signed it into law.
Democrats want more of that. In fact, it's so good that Obama wants to transition everyone to a Medicare type single payer program.
Medicare is not going away. It's just being expanded under a new name. Call it a "fundamental transformation."
I can't wait until one of our resident LWNJ's mother or father will be subjected to a death panel decision to pull the plug and "take the pill". Will they still love obama the next morning?
He's backtracking now, a'la Obama style, claiming that's not what he said. However, the clip was replayed this week on a TV news show -- that is exactly what he said and there's no mistaking it. He was not misquoted. Anyone who hears the original conversation can see that plainly.
Why are you so fixated on Medicare? It's a Democrat program, ergo it's great. LBJ signed it into law.
Democrats want more of that. In fact, it's so good that Obama wants to transition everyone to a Medicare type single payer program.
Medicare is not going away. It's just being expanded under a new name. Call it a "fundamental transformation."
You'll get to experience it yourself.
Oh, happy day.
So what you are saying is you love Medicare. What happened to Ryan Care? Bet you would never want to be on that program. That is a much more fundamental transformation than the minor changes to Medicare. You should thank Obama for keeping your program intact as should the rest of the Tea Partiers.
Why are you so fixated on Medicare? It's a Democrat program, ergo it's great. LBJ signed it into law.
Democrats want more of that. In fact, it's so good that Obama wants to transition everyone to a Medicare type single payer program.
Medicare is not going away. It's just being expanded under a new name. Call it a "fundamental transformation."
You'll get to experience it yourself.
Oh, happy day.
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Originally Posted by southward bound
He's backtracking now, a'la Obama style, claiming that's not what he said. However, the clip was replayed this week on a TV news show -- that is exactly what he said and there's no mistaking it. He was not misquoted. Anyone who hears the original conversation can see that plainly.
Whats wrong with controlling costs in Medicare. It seems the Tea Party types want to drag us into bankruptcy while they sit in intensive care billed at $10,000 a day. You guys keep saying cut, cut, cut, but then you love your Medicare. What gives?? Are you guys socialists??
Whats wrong with controlling costs in Medicare. It seems the Tea Party types want to drag us into bankruptcy while they sit in intensive care billed at $10,000 a day. You guys keep saying cut, cut, cut, but then you love your Medicare. What gives?? Are you guys socialists??
I would guess that at this point Medicare is largely irrelevant to the Tea Party in the grand scope of things.
Just because some entrenched social programs like Medicare are probably here to stay does not mean it makes good fiscal sense to expand it and keep heaping more on top of it.
What the real Conservatives want concerning healthcare is to find ways to control the costs of healthcare that don't shred the Constitution and will inevitably raise taxes and lead to crappy single payer coverage rather than just forcing everyone to buy insurance ala Obamacare.
Ask yourself one simple question:
Who benefits from a law that does little or nothing to control the costs of healthcare but forces everyone to buy health insurance?
Assisted suicide is coming to Quebec, since about 90% of the populace is for it, but for now, we're not allowed to do anything except withhold food and water in dying patients. It sounds cruel, but it provides natural pain relief and feelings of euphoria.
I can't tell you how many idiot aides I've caught, whispering "Those awful doctors and nurses want to torture you. Here, let me give you some water", undermining the process and prolonging the whole business of dying.
My mother, who had dementia, fell and broke her hip a few months before her 93rd birthday. Her hip was replaced and she did walk again. Five months later she experienced a seizure in her sleep and never regained consciousness. She had a Living Will and received no nutrition or hydration; she died two days later.
Her hip replacement and rehab were expensive. But, what were her family's or her doctors' choices? Before the fall, she was able to walk and was "healthy" in that she took no medications. Her memory was shot, but she knew her closest relatives and was happy when they were with her. After the surgery, even though she was just as "healthy," she seemed to have lost all interest in life. I suspect that the anesthesia she was given for the surgery significantly scrambled her remaining brain cells. Her quality of life in her remaining months was close to zero.
My mother, who had dementia, fell and broke her hip a few months before her 93rd birthday. Her hip was replaced and did walk again. Five months later she experienced a seizure in her sleep and never regained consciousness. She had a Living Will and received no nutrition or hydration; she died two days later.
Her hip replacement and rehab were expensive. But, what were her family's or her doctors' choices? Before the fall, she was able to walk and was "healthy" in that she took no medications. Her memory was shot, but she knew her closest relatives and was happy when they were with her. After the surgery, even though she was just as "healthy," she seemed to have lost all interest in life. I suspect that the anesthesia she was given for the surgery significantly scrambled her remaining brain cells. Her quality of life in her remaining months was close to zero.
Should my mother have been denied the hip replacement surgery and lived her last months as an bed-ridden invalid?
Your mother had dementia. Would she really know if she was bedridden for a few months. I'm sorry but why would any doctor preform hip surgery on someone who is 93. So how was her quality of life before surgery. Was she in a nursing home.
Your mother had dementia. Would she really know if she was bedridden for a few months. I'm sorry but why would any doctor preform hip surgery on someone who is 93. So how was her quality of life before surgery. Was she in a nursing home.
No, she was in assisted living and pretty much took care of herself. Her dementia did not affect her behavior, just her memory. To anyone meeting her for the first time, she came across as 'normal'. She was out of bed and in physical therapy within days of her surgery. And, before she fell, there was no reason to think she only had a few months left - she was in very good shape (physically) for her age.
It's not as black and white as you would like it to be. In my family there are two nonagenarians and one octogeneraian who live independently and lead active lives. If anyone of them were to fall and break a hip, they would deservedly be a candidate for surgery.
No, she was in assisted living and pretty much took care of herself. Her dementia did not affect her behavior, just her memory. To anyone meeting her for the first time, she came across as 'normal'. She was out of bed and in physical therapy within days of her surgery.
It's not as black and white as you would like it to be. In my family there are two nonagenarians and one octogeneraian who live independently and lead active lives. If anyone of them were to fall and break a hip, they would deservedly be a candidate for surgery.
I am so sorry about your mom. My dad passed this year at 92. Surgery at that age is very risky and the recovery time is gruesome. My dad's knees were failing, he could barely walk. His doc said he would never survive the surgery or rehabilitation. Why would someone that age put themselves through that.
He's backtracking now, a'la Obama style, claiming that's not what he said. However, the clip was replayed this week on a TV news show -- that is exactly what he said and there's no mistaking it. He was not misquoted. Anyone who hears the original conversation can see that plainly.
The obama thugs likely threatened his family. Golly, obama is so bitchin'.
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