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Old 12-16-2013, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Ins Cos are getting on board... I suspect they know whee their bread gets buttered.

Morning Plum: Insurance industry bets on Obamacare. GOP bets on failure.
The insurance industry WROTE THE BILL.


Liz Fowler was brought in by Max Baucus.
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Old 12-16-2013, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Interesting article, .bob. It will be interesting to see if a handful of large insurance companies can trump the growing realization among 300 million Americans that Obamacare is probably not capable of being implemented as written, given the large swaths of it that have been deferred or ignored by the administration. Is there any evidence, anywhere, that the slide in public perception of Obamacare has turned around?
Let me see ... Hmmmm.... Ins Industry vs some Tnuts?? Yep, that's a conflict real up in the air.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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Interesting article, .bob. It will be interesting to see if a handful of large insurance companies can trump the growing realization among 300 million Americans that Obamacare is probably not capable of being implemented as written, given the large swaths of it that have been deferred or ignored by the administration. Is there any evidence, anywhere, that the slide in public perception of Obamacare has turned around?
I'll watch the ads to see the mix of target groups. What % feature mainly people with pre-existing conditions, older, more costly, risky buyers vs. the 'young invincibles' vs. the uninsured in general.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Let me see ... Hmmmm.... Ins Industry vs some Tnuts?? Yep, that's a conflict real up in the air.
Tea party represents a very small minority of American opinion.

But whatever. You don't care cause you got govt medical insurance as backup anyways.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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So far I've seen very few "net new additions" to the exchanges from those who are from the uninisured pool.

How come there are no stats from the administration.

Couldn't they add on questionnaire "have you been without health insurance for more than 12 months?"
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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The insurance industry WROTE THE BILL.


Liz Fowler was brought in by Max Baucus.
I'm sure the insurance company lobbyists wrote a small piece of the bill, and then other lobbyists or bureaucrats wrote parts that no doubt conflicted with them. The bill is a hodgepodge of independent, self-serving entities, which all work against each other to make this dysfunction and destructive mess.
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Old 12-16-2013, 09:00 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Let me see ... Hmmmm.... Ins Industry vs some Tnuts?? Yep, that's a conflict real up in the air.
So Gallup, Quinnipac, the Associated Press, WSJ/NBC, and every other polling organization only calls "some Tnuts?"

I'm no Tnut, I believe every person ought to have basic medical care no matter what, yet I am concerned that the three major promises of Obamacare appear to be exactly the opposite of that triumvirate of promises used to describe Obamacare to us: freedom to keep our plans, freedom to keep our providers, and costs lower by $2,500 per household.

Is one a "Tnut" if one objects to having the plan they liked cancelled? Or if one wishes that preferred and trusted providers could be consulted in the future? Or if the costs and deductibles and coinsurance coming out of one's pocket are dismayingly large? Is that how you tell who is a "Tnut" nowadays?

Honestly, I think we would all be better off if more of us would get off the fringes and join the middle in an attempt to get us to a better place. Reflexive blind support for the unsupportable is no more helpful or useful than reflexive blind aversion to any change in the now-gone and problematic status quo ante bellum.
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Old 12-16-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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The insurance industry WROTE THE BILL.


Liz Fowler was brought in by Max Baucus.
Yep, with all kinds of verbiage that can allow them to get off the hook and make money. Obamacare is a bureaucrats and scammers dream.
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Old 12-16-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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Well it appears so far that the tea party was right
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Old 12-16-2013, 10:06 AM
 
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Tea party represents a very small minority of American opinion.

But whatever. You don't care cause you got govt medical insurance as backup anyways.
If by the view of the Tea party, you mean do most Americans think the ACA is terrible, that our debt and deficits are too high, and that our federal government is leading the nation into the exact wrong direction, then the Tea party view represents the majority of Americans.
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