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Old 01-06-2014, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The story of Jahi couldn't get more absurd! The mother is moving this brain dead girl to a facility that her mother has found for her in New York. This is a community center outpatient facility for traumatic brain injury persons and their families--a community center that was founded and run by a former hairdresser? Jahi will be the FIRST and ONLY inpatient at this community center. The website reads like a support facility for TBI persons and their families, people who have survived and have continued to live with brain injury. Brain injury is not brain death...


There is a reason a validly accredited and credentialed facility would not go near this circus...and that is because it is ghoulish and immoral.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/health...rl-brain-dead/

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Old 01-06-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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Huckabee's ignorant statement, that brain dead people deserve a chance, will threaten the donation of organs. As a result of Huckabee's comments, many will believe that removing a ventilator from a loved one who was diagnosed as brain dead will be committing murder. Brain dead patients whose organs are still viable, are the source of transplantable organs.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:19 PM
 
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A 13 year old California girl is dead after a tonsillectomy operation to relieve her sleep apnea. She woke up, had severe bleeding, went into cardiac arrest, and was declared dead 3 days later. She is currently on a ventilator but the hospital says she is dead - not in a vegetative state. The family believes she is still alive and can recover, have blocked attempts to disconnect, and are looking for another hospital to take over her care. They believe they have found one in New York. The hospital says they will need clearance from the coroner as they have declared her dead. I understand a parent's denial - but it's time to let go. NBC indicates (see below) that there is more information that they are not allowed to disclose that will put the hospital in a better light.

Family of Jahi McMath, Teen Declared Brain Dead After Tonsillectomy, Asks Hospital for More Time | NBC Bay Area
We want the public to know that the family has not permitted us to discuss the medical situation. We are unable -- without the family’s permission--to talk about the medical procedure, background or any of the details that are a part of this tragedy. Details that would provide transparency, openness and provide answers to the public about this situation.

We implore the family to allow the hospital to openly discuss what has occurred and to give us the necessary legal permission--which it has been withholding--that would bring clarity, and we believe, some measure of closure and deeper understanding of this medical case.

Many of the statements made by the family and its attorney must be taken in the context that they will not allow CHO to discuss the case and provide the information necessary for there to be a fuller understanding.

She is dead. Bury her.

Most states have laws about keeping and maintaining a corpse (see Norman Bates), therefore the law is quite clear and the clinical criterion to establish brain death are quite clear.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:25 PM
 
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She is dead. Bury her.

Most states have laws about keeping and maintaining a corpse (see Norman Bates), therefore the law is quite clear and the clinical criterion to establish brain death are quite clear.
hawkeye2009, for the first time, I can agree with you!
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The story of Jahi couldn't get more absurd! The mother is moving this brain dead girl to a facility that her mother has found for her in New York. This is a community center outpatient facility for traumatic brain injury persons and their families--a community center that was founded and run by a former hairdresser? Jahi will be the FIRST and ONLY inpatient at this community center. The website reads like a support facility for TBI persons and their families, people who have survived and have continued to live with brain injury. Brain injury is not brain death...


There is a reason a validly accredited and credentialed facility would not go near this circus...and that is because it is ghoulish and immoral.


Brain-dead Jahi McMath is released from California hospital - CNN.com
It sure is. Warning - Graphic.

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:33 PM
 
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I can't help but think of the case of the little girl in Pennsylvania some months ago. Sarah Murnaghan needed a lung transplant, and HHS was going to deny her due to age.
Had not a family member consented to having their loved one, who was determined to be brain dead,
removed from life support and donated the organs, Sarah Murhaghan would not have received lungs (twice) for her transplant.
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Old 01-07-2014, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If things continue as the doctor describes it would appear that, very bluntly speaking, the body of that child is going to continue to decompose, albeit more slowly than would naturally occur.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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If things continue as the doctor describes it would appear that, very bluntly speaking, the body of that child is going to continue to decompose, albeit more slowly than would naturally occur.

That is exactly what is happening. Medical science cannot keep the dead alive, nor can it raise the dead.
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Old 01-09-2014, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Lawyer: Brain-Dead Teen 'Getting Better'

The California 13-year-old declared dead after tonsil surgery is getting better at the undisclosed facility she was moved to earlier this week, family lawyer Christopher Dolan says. Jahi McMath has had feeding and tracheostomy tubes inserted and "doctors are optimistic that her condition has stabilized and that her health is improving from when she was taken from" hospital, Dolan tweeted. He says she is now "doing very well" and is getting the treatment she should have had weeks ago,

Lawyer: Jahi McMath gets feeding tube, 'improving' - SFGate
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Old 01-09-2014, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We're not there so don't know but what 'better' is isn't spelled out so it's a pretty useless announcement at this point, in my opinion.
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