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Old 01-25-2014, 05:28 AM
 
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Now you are denying it ever happened. Your hypocrisy is disgusting, and your ignorance is only rivaled by your claims of pseudo scientific knowledge. You are the reason why we can't have a nice society and I'm glad they do not let your kind corrupt the morals of your home country.
Unbelievable. You keep referring to a story of a normal cisgender boy who was raised as a girl after his penis was accidentally destroyed, not a TRANSGENDER child. The story shows the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to use it to support.

You completely missed the point that David Reimer was NOT transgender. He should never have been "sexually reassigned" and raised as a girl just because his penis was burnt off during a botched circumcision as a baby. We know far more now than they did in the 1960's. Dr John Money thought that gender identity was something that was more learned than biological, so thought that if David had no penis and testicles and was raised as "Brenda", that he would think of himself as a girl and live successfully as a female. He never did. Dr Money's theory has long been debunked.

David Reimer's BRAIN always told him he was a boy. That's the way his brain was wired before he was born. Despite the fact that he no longer had his penis/testicles, that he was told all his childhood by his parents that he was a girl, that he was dressed as a girl, that he was given hormone therapy and was raised as a girl. He still KNEW he was a boy.

He was NOT transgender.

Do you need me to tell you again?

He was NOT transgender.

With a transgender child (like Jazz in the OP) their brain tells them they are the opposite gender to their external genitals/chromosomes because that is the way it was 'wired' before they were born.

Trying to force a transgender child to live as the opposite of what their brain tells them, is just harmful as trying to make a normal cisgender child like David Reimer live as a girl. That's why he had so many problems- that's why he ended up killing himself. And that's why many transgender children try to kill themselves when forced to live the opposite gender to how their brain is wired.

Transgenderism is biological, not psychological. No amount of therapy is going to make a transgender child believe the opposite of how their brains were 'wired'. Just as no amount of therapy could ever convince you that you are the opposite gender even if your genitals were removed and you had been raised as the opposite gender.

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Old 01-25-2014, 06:55 AM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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You are not a medical specialist. What makes you think you know what's best for this child? Would you stake a child's life on your non-medical completely uninformed opinion?
Yes, I would. There's such a thing as common sense, which seems to be very uncommon these days, particularly amongst the liberal set.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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A confusing spirit has lied to this boy on who he is. One doesn't think like a boy or girl. YOu are what you believe. This boy believes the lie. He is a boy and should be what he was created to be.

If one believes they are a girl and are a boy and it is supported, it will only bring this boy more pain. The seeds were planted by the confusing spirit that has lied to this boy.

One could feel like a number of things , but feelings do not make it so. Feelings are not set in concrete, the physical is.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Unbelievable. You keep referring to a story of a normal cisgender boy who was raised as a girl after his penis was accidentally destroyed, not a TRANSGENDER child. The story shows the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to use it to support.

You completely missed the point that David Reimer was NOT transgender. He should never have been "sexually reassigned" and raised as a girl just because his penis was burnt off during a botched circumcision as a baby. We know far more now than they did in the 1960's. Dr John Money thought that gender identity was something that was more learned than biological, so thought that if David had no penis and testicles and was raised as "Brenda", that he would think of himself as a girl and live successfully as a female. He never did. Dr Money's theory has long been debunked.

David Reimer's BRAIN always told him he was a boy. That's the way his brain was wired before he was born. Despite the fact that he no longer had his penis/testicles, that he was told all his childhood by his parents that he was a girl, that he was dressed as a girl, that he was given hormone therapy and was raised as a girl. He still KNEW he was a boy.

He was NOT transgender.

Do you need me to tell you again?

He was NOT transgender.

With a transgender child (like Jazz in the OP) their brain tells them they are the opposite gender to their external genitals/chromosomes because that is the way it was 'wired' before they were born.

Trying to force a transgender child to live as the opposite of what their brain tells them, is just harmful as trying to make a normal cisgender child like David Reimer live as a girl. That's why he had so many problems- that's why he ended up killing himself. And that's why many transgender children try to kill themselves when forced to live the opposite gender to how their brain is wired.

Transgenderism is biological, not psychological. No amount of therapy is going to make a transgender child believe the opposite of how their brains were 'wired'. Just as no amount of therapy could ever convince you that you are the opposite gender even if your genitals were removed and you had been raised as the opposite gender.
There was a boy who had a deformity when born. His genitals were hidden. He was brought up as a girl . He conformed to what he believed his body was. When he entered puberty his genitals were covered under a layer of skin which when he was younger appeared to be a girl.. he was not. His genitals were discovered and the skin that covered his genitalia was removed. He then took on the role of a man. He conformed to what he saw.. He got married and was well adjusted even though he was brought up as a girl and accepted the role he thought he was assigned . This is what this boy did. Conformed to what his genitalia was at the time.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I'll just leave this here.
http://beautydeep.files.wordpress.co..._petras_00.jpg

She's a famous singer. She was a boy when she was 12.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kim+...w=1024&bih=596
Nice girly hips there Tim, hope you don't go bald.

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Yes, I know, I'm mean.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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You should have stopped right there.



But sadly, you didn't. Medical specialists disagree with you, and you're yet another person that comes here and confidently states that you know better than them without offering a single, compelling reason why anyone should value your unqualified opinion over their qualified, expert opinions.
You keep saying this. Can you provide proof that this is widely accepted in the medical, scientific, or psychiatric community? I can tell you that the psychiatric community separates children from adolescents and adults with regard to this based on evidence that children have been known to grow out of it.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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It doesn't matter what any of us think, as I doubt any of us will be dating or touching Jazz's life in any way. Why would anyone (especially adults) go out of their way to make Jazz feel even more uncomfortable? I think she is very brave, and I wish her the best. It's nice to see supportive parents.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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It doesn't matter what any of us think, as I doubt any of us will be dating or touching Jazz's life in any way. Why would anyone (especially adults) go out of their way to make Jazz feel even more uncomfortable? I think she is very brave, and I wish her the best. It's nice to see supportive parents.
The same parents who gave him the name of a drag queen?
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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Trying to force a transgender child to live as the opposite of what their brain tells them, is just harmful as trying to make a normal cisgender child like David Reimer live as a girl. That's why he had so many problems- that's why he ended up killing himself. And that's why many transgender children try to kill themselves when forced to live the opposite gender to how their brain is wired.

Transgenderism is biological, not psychological. No amount of therapy is going to make a transgender child believe the opposite of how their brains were 'wired'. Just as no amount of therapy could ever convince you that you are the opposite gender even if your genitals were removed and you had been raised as the opposite gender.
So you are basically saying that it is not the story that was debunked, it is the looney theory that was. Common sense finally.

Now about your claim that transgenderism is biological, it holds as much water than the claim that homosexuality is biological, this has not been proved as of today and the question is still open in the scientific community. Pretending the question was solved and the definite answer is biology causes those disorders is pure misinformation. Also,saying that your brain determines what gender you are instead of your chromosomes is not a valid assertion. One could argue that the brain needs treatment, not the body. Same sex attraction disorder and gender identity disorder are still viewed by many scientists as psychologically caused. And they are.
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Old 01-25-2014, 08:19 AM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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With all the variations that can take place during fatal development, why are people finding this unacceptable? We know Jazz will have many hard decisions to make, give her a break.
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