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You should stop telling other people they can't read for comprehension.
The lowball 2.6 million from the liberal Urban Institute are people who lost insurance because their policies were illegal under Ocare and had to be cancelled. Sure, x number then bought new insurance somewhere else. It's trickery for you, CBO, Gallup, or anyone else to count the x as newly insured under Ocare.
No, that isn't what that means. You should really read for comprehension and really start reading about what happened to those who received canceled policies notices.
Over one million more than were projected with the final numbers coming in. Only 27% of the enrollees were between 18 and 34. However that means that almost 6 million were over 35 with many in the what could be considered the Republican base between 50-64. Do you think those people are going to be responding to the Republican plan of repeal and lose their insurance and possible subsidies? The Republicans dont have a plan as the RSC admits since nothing has ever been voted on since 2010. Shouldn't Republicans be coming up with a plan rather than telling the 8 million sorry about your health insurance but we have ours?
This whole tyraid from you started when I suggested that people bought insurance on the exchange who lost insurance. Cancellation notices are just that.. Cancellations..
And since you have no idea how many of these individuals obtained insurance then I have to ask why you've spent PAGES arguing with me that this didnt take place.
I didn't say that some people who received cancellation notices didn't buy insurance on the exchanges. It was your ridiculous point that ALL of them bought insurance on the exchanges that I challenged.
No based on the information that exists cancellation notices aren't just that. You should really do some reading about what happened to those people who received cancellation notices. A huge percentage were allowed to keep the existing insurance policy or transferred to another policy.
Based on the information I have read, it appears as if the majority of those who received canceled policy notices didn't actually have their policy canceled in a way that resulted in a loss of insurance.
WRONG.. Transferring people to a new policy wouldnt explain the spike in the uninsured because they wouldnt have had a laps in insurance..
Once again, the uninsured spiked from 16.3% to 18% of the country. With 300+ million individuals this means that 5.1 million individuals lost insurance at the end of 2013 for various reasons. Some of them due to ACA and others for different reasons.
Transferring policies wouldnt increase the uninsured numbers, so explain for me the spike.
That's because the spike had nothing to do with the ACA. You are just ignorant of this simple fact.
The cancellation notices didn't go out until Sept/Oct of 2013 and the cancellations didn't actually apply until January 1, 2014.
You keep showing your ignorance. Based on that chart the uninsured rate started increasing at the end of 2012 and peaked in the maybe August or September of 2013 and then started declining.
Based on the chart that is the timeline of the uninsured increase. It didn't correspond with the cancellation notices because I repeat the canceled policies didn't take affect UNTIL JANUARY 2014. Smh
This is really funny. You are so blinded by ideology that you are misreading a chart to make it fit a narrative that the chart shows doesn't fit. Smh.
No that would be the incorrect assumption though. There has been some fact checking on this.
In 2013, Florida Blue started sending letters to about 300,000 members explaining that the Affordable Care Act requires plans to provide 10 categories of essential benefits. Some Florida Blue plans didn’t include those services, so those plans would be closed. But that didn’t mean those 300,000 members were stranded without insurance.
And NONE of these individuals would be counted as uninsured, but yet once again, the uninsured SKYROCKETED.
Based on the information that I have read about the policy cancellations. It is difficult to know exactly how many people's policies were actually cancelled and they were left without insurance.
Many people received cancellation notices but were allowed to keep their off exchange policy. Many received cancellation notices and were switched over to another off exchange policy. Many received cancellation notices and bought an off exchange policy.
Some people who found out they had canceled policies found out they qualified for subsidizes with an on exchange policy with the same insurance company and they bought an on exchange policy. Some who received canceled policies people found out they qualified for medicaid.
I think based on the information that has been reported that the first three options were what happened to a vast percentage of those who received cancelled policies.
Considering the percentage increase, its over 5 million individuals who LOST insurance
Once again, if they were just rolled into a new policy then they wouldnt have been uninsured in order to be counted as uninsured..
Nonsense.. A subsidy is a payment from the government to keep costs low.
Even more nonsense.. Simply changing the payor doesnt make it more affordable.
Actually some subsidies raise the cost of things. Medicare Advantage was a perfect example.
It absolutely does make it more affordable changing a payer, especially if it is single payer.
I would read up on it
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