Whats Wrong With Idaho The Reddest and Whitest of All States is all in for Obamacare (salary, ideology)
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Allowing a tax write off of a business expense isnt a subsidy no more than deducting your state taxes from your federal one is..
If you want to have an adult conversation, please dont post crap thats this dumb.
I was talking about all the federal/state employees,
VA, Military, Tricare, Medicare Advantage, Medicare, Medicaid folks who are already subsidized by the federal government with their health insurance/cost of care.
I was talking about all the federal employees,
VA, Military, Tricare, Medicare Advantage, Medicare, Medicaid folks who are already subsidized by the federal government.
I am very familiar with tax write offs, dummy
You said 80% of the nation. 80% of the nation isnt on federal programs, and many of them paid taxes for the benefit of collecting or earned them though employment contracts.. Thats not a subsidy either.
A lot of people seem to be in denial. If Gallup shows 4% more adults are insured now than last November are you supposed to subtract 2.7% and come up to 1.3%?? By the way in November they still had insurance. Policies that were cancelled didnt take effect until December 31. Some of the confusion probably comes from looking at only exchange numbers. If you go look at the off exchange numbers through places like Ehealthinsurance.com you see another almost eight million signed up. You can argue many had insurance before. Thats 16 million people that Republicans want to cancel their insurance. It was bad when Obama did it but it will be good when Republican not only cancel insurance but throw people off Medicaid and get rid of the subsidies.
I didn't say no one lost insurance because of the ACA. I said that most of the people who received policy cancellation notices didn't necessarily have their policy cancelled. That many of those people simply switched to another policy outside of the exchanges and many other people who didn't get transferred to another policy simply bought another off exchange policy.
I have no idea how many of that 2.6million got insurance through the exchanges. That is a question.
The CBO already acknowledge those who had policies canceled and re enrolled in the exchanges were considered one of newly insured.
Page 7 of 26 in the lastest cbo report
They might have enrolled outside the exchanges? Who knows. But didn't Obama defend the cancellations saying most of them canceled would buy it on the exchanges since many would qualify for subsidies?
6 out of 7 million enrolled in exchanges got subsidies?
Or is Obama lying that most who had policies canceled would be enrolling in the exchanges because many of them would get subsidies.
A lot of people seem to be in denial. If Gallup shows 4% more adults are insured now than last November are you supposed to subtract 2.7% and come up to 1.3%?? By the way in November they still had insurance. Policies that were cancelled didnt take effect until December 31. Some of the confusion probably comes from looking at only exchange numbers. If you go look at the off exchange numbers through places like Ehealthinsurance.com you see another almost eight million signed up. You can argue many had insurance before. Thats 16 million people that Republicans want to cancel their insurance. It was bad when Obama did it but it will be good when Republican not only cancel insurance but throw people off Medicaid and get rid of the subsidies.
If you kick enough people off insurance, then mandate people will get insurance, then of course the numbers will come down.. By default people wanted insurance or they wouldnt have had it to begin with.
Your claims that Republicans want to see 16 million people have their policies cancelled, would mean you think 1/2 of those who were uninsured, are now insured. Is that the new claim, that 16 million people got insurance? What happened to 8 million people?
You are getting caught up in semantics, I would think when people say a policy was cancelled they mean that person was left without insurance. My point is that many people who received cancellation notices were given the option to transfer to another plan and many of those people did.
If that's true than why is the cbo counting those people among the newly insured?
So if 2-3 million of the 5 million cancellations enrolled in the exchanges. Than the cbo considered them newly insured among the 7 million signing up.
You said 80% of the nation. 80% of the nation isnt on federal programs, and many of them paid taxes for the benefit of collecting or earned them though employment contracts.. Thats not a subsidy either.
Anytime the cost of something is adjusted by adding monies from the Federal
it is a subsidy. Doesn't matter what kind of employment contract you have.
Next you will tell me farmers don't get subsidies either.
Without these subsidies, the cost of health care could not be paid for by individuals.
One of the reasons, single payer makes so much sense.
We can only assume a good many of them did result in people losing their insurance. So stop calling people out and insulting them, just because you think maybe this or that happened, a little differently then someone else thinks it might have.
No that would be the incorrect assumption though. There has been some fact checking on this.
In 2013, Florida Blue started sending letters to about 300,000 members explaining that the Affordable Care Act requires plans to provide 10 categories of essential benefits. Some Florida Blue plans didn’t include those services, so those plans would be closed. But that didn’t mean those 300,000 members were stranded without insurance.
The Miami Herald’s Public Insight Network obtained copies of letters received by Florida Blue consumers. The letters stated that because of the Affordable Care Act, the consumer’s particular plan “will be closed,” and recommended another Florida Blue plan.
“To help ensure that you have continuous health care coverage, you’ll be enrolled in this health plan effective Jan. 1, 2014, unless we hear from you by Nov. 1, 2013.”
“It is important to note that the ‘300,000’ was a number that was being used when describing how many Florida Blue members could receive a notice that their policies would not be compliant with ACA requirements throughout all of 2014, if no extension was provided to these plans,” spokesman Paul Kluding told PolitiFact Florida in an email.
“In actuality, only 40,000 letters were mailed to members with Jan. 1, 2014, effective dates. Subsequent notices were sent to these members notifying them that their existing plans would remain active and unchanged through 2014.”
In November, Florida Blue announced it was giving policyholders another year to keep their coverage at the request of President Barack Obama.
“To date, most of the members in our pre-ACA plans have kept their plans,” Kluding said.
In reality, many people who received notices that their plans were canceled were told they would be automatically enrolled into another plan by the same insurance company. (Here’s an example of such a letter, courtesy of our colleagues at PolitiFact.)
In other words, the person’s health plan was “canceled” but the person was not left “without coverage,” as the Daily Caller asserted. There likely was a seamless transition from one plan to the other, though the premiums might have increased because the ACA requires all plans to have the same basic level of benefits.
Under intense political pressure, the White House ordered an administrative fix that, depending on the actions of individual states, allowed as many as 2.3 million people with “canceled plans” to simply stay on their old plan for at least another year. Thus they also did not lose coverage, contrary to the Daily Caller’s claim.
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On January 1, 2014, your BlueOptions plan 522 will be closed. In its place we recommend our BlueOptions Essential(HSA) 1419P. To help ensure that you have continuous health care coverage you’ll be enrolled in this health plan effective January 1, 2014, unless we hear from you by November 1, 2013.
Thank you for trusting Florida Blue with your health plan needs. We want to let you know that the Affordable Care Act(ACA, also known as health care reform, will result in changes to your health plan.
On January 1, 2014, your BlueOptions plan 522 will be closed. In its place we recommend our BlueOptions Essential(HSA) 1419P. To help ensure that you have continuous health care coverage you’ll be enrolled in this health plan effective January 1, 2014, unless we hear from you by November 1, 2013.
Most? Based on what, your gut feeling. So how about you drop all of this contention over whether it was 2.6 million, or 2 million, it's nothing more than one person's guesstimate over another. Geeez.
Based on the information that I have read about the policy cancellations. It is difficult to know exactly how many people's policies were actually cancelled and they were left without insurance.
Many people received cancellation notices but were allowed to keep their off exchange policy. Many received cancellation notices and were switched over to another off exchange policy. Many received cancellation notices and bought an off exchange policy.
Some people who found out they had canceled policies found out they qualified for subsidizes with an on exchange policy with the same insurance company and they bought an on exchange policy. Some who received canceled policies people found out they qualified for medicaid.
I think based on the information that has been reported that the first three options were what happened to a vast percentage of those who received cancelled policies.
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