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Old 04-29-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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Actually, welfare falls into "failure to pay any poll tax or any tax..
I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say here
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As far as I'm concerned, Felony disenfranchisement is unconstitutional as well (this issue has been brought up in the past).
Luckily your opnion is meaningless.

Oh dam, there I go again making a statement about you..

Are you going to sue me yet?
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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It also doesnt say every cititizen shall vote either

So you admit your babble that the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendment doesnt say what you just claimed it says on the previous posting?
The burden of proof is on the government.

Nope.. all Amendments are prefaced:

"The right of the citizens of the United States to vote."

Stop trolling and move on.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Nope. You want to get busy about your lack of reading comprehension?

Freedom of speech is freedom to speak out against the government. It isn't freedom to threaten other citizens, or stay stupid things about private individuals without consequence.

The right to bear arms is absolute. HOWEVER, permit issue is not unconstitutional. The Second Amendment does not read "every citizen shall be issued a gun." It reads "shall not be infringed." Anything not included in the constitution is subject to the states. Gun permitting is done as such.

Voting has explicit text in the constitution that prohibits the government from infringing on the basis of color, sex, age, and poll tax. Voter ID requirements are a poll tax. Is there a gun tax Amendment?
Free voter ID does not constitute a poll tax no matter how many times you try to say it does. That was the key in the Crawford v. Marion County decision. If free Voter ID is provided, then the rest of the document gathering, going to the place to obtain the ID, etc are not considered a significant enough burden to throw out voter ID. That's what SCOTUS said and only SCOTUS can overturn themselves.

Also, that was quite some mental gymnastics there to arrive at those conclusions on free speech and right to bear arms. Look, don't believe me. Look at various SCOTUS decisions on our rights. You will see the phrase reasonable restrictions multiple times. It's something that is allowed even if you, personally, do not agree with it.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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You obviously didn't read what I wrote or either didn't understand it.
ohh, he understood it, Urbanlife has a proclivity for switching gears.


I like the stop sign analogy. We certainly know that many more people go through stop signs than those that are ticketed, how many? Who knows. We also know voter fraud exists, how many? Who knows.

Without the ability to determine how many people are breaking the law we can never know how many.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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The burden of proof is on the government.
Burden of proof is on the government to do what?
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Nope.. all Amendments are prefaced:

"The right of the citizens of the United States to vote."

Stop trolling and move on.
I'm not trolling, you just dont like me pointing out how dam flat wrong you are..

The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, it doesnt say what people are allowed to do, only what the government cant do.

There isnt a dam segment of the Constitution which wouldnt allow a state to only allow standards established to vote.

For example, if a state said only tax payers can vote. That would be completely constitutional since it wouldnt limit ones ability to vote (i.e. you arent paying a tax to vote, you're paying taxes as a member of society), nor would it limit based upon sex, color of skin etc.

YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG....
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Not at all. Social Security number is easily verifiable.

The problem is the hoops Republicans are creating to tackle a problem that doesn't exist. It is an artificially created "concern" to mask their cheating agenda.

If voter fraud is truly such an issue, make it easier for people to vote honestly; not more difficult.
Wait, what if my 96 year old Grandma doesn't have a Social Security card. Now she has to get one and the cost of her to go get one (the ride down there, the gas, the whatever else you have tried to argue) now constitutes a poll tax. See how absurd your argument is?
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:45 PM
 
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ohh, he understood it, Urbanlife has a proclivity for switching gears.


I like the stop sign analogy. We certainly know that many more people go through stop signs than those that are ticketed, how many? Who knows. We also know voter fraud exists, how many? Who knows.

Without the ability to determine how many people are breaking the law we can never know how many.
Like we said.. the burden of proof is on the government, not the citizen. Citizen right to vote cannot be infringed.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:45 PM
 
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Not at all. Social Security number is easily verifiable.
They you would agree the PA voting ID adequately addresses your concerns?
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:45 PM
 
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The right to bear arms is absolute.
no its not. Again, we disallow all segments of society the ability to bear arms... EVERY SINGLE DAY...
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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Like we said.. the burden of proof is on the government, not the citizen. Citizen right to vote cannot be infringed.
Please cite for me what section of the Constitution would limit a state from passing a law which says only property owners can vote, or how about only married couples can vote.

If you can cite it for me, then I will agree that rights can not be infringed..

If you cant, then YOU ARE WRONG...

Dont babble on some nonsense, I want a QUOTE...
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