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Old 06-29-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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Try reading this again and taking off your Obamabot hat.

Everyone should follow the law.

Why should someone be audited today for being offered to buy stock (legally) in the future?

Why should someone be audited today for being offered to attend an event with their wife (legally) in the future?

Why was she wanting to target someone for what they "might" do in the future based on an invitation? Politics.

She has a history of harassing conservatives and inappropriate inquiries through her government position.

IRS's Lerner Had History of Harassment, Inappropriate Religious Inquiries at FEC | The Weekly Standard
The IRS should investigate and enforce tax law. This is the whole reason it exists.

In this case there wasn't even an investigation, but even if there was, that's why the IRS exists to investigate and enforce tax law.


Are conservatives so far off in Lalala land that government organizations doing their job is a scandal? Lol SMH

conservatives are drifting further and further away from reality.

 
Old 06-29-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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The IRS should investigate and enforce tax law. This is the whole reason it exists.

In this case there wasn't even an investigation, but even if there was, that's why the IRS exists to investigate and enforce tax law.


Are conservatives so far off in Lalala land that government organizations doing their job is a scandal? Lol SMH

conservatives are drifting further and further away from reality.
No one should work off the premise of guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
 
Old 06-29-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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Yes it is fiction becsue it wasn't just the tea party.
Again, I detailed two conservative organizations that gained 501c-4 tax exempt status one in 2010 and one in 2011. Both if which spent huge money in the 2012 election. That doesn't even count the Koch brothers Sheldon Aldeson. conservative 501c-4 organizations spent huge amounts of money in the 2012.


And not getting tax exempt status doesn't stop or prevent any organization from being politically active. The IRS can't control this.

So this conspiracy still makes no sense. These organizations didn't get denied tax exempt status only delayed. The IRS can't and couldn't prevent these organizations from being politically active
 
Old 06-29-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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Again, I detailed two conservative organizations that gained 501c-4 tax exempt status one in 2010 and one in 2011. Both if which spent huge money in the 2012 election. That doesn't even count the Koch brothers Sheldon Aldeson. conservative 501c-4 organizations spent huge amounts of money in the 2012.


And not getting tax exempt status doesn't stop or prevent any organization from being politically active. The IRS can't control this.

So this conspiracy still makes no sense. These organizations didn't get denied tax exempt status only delayed. The IRS can't and couldn't prevent these organizations from being politically active
With other similar groups with a different point of view not getting delayed. This is a clear violation of the groups that were singled out, civil rights.

This doesn't even address the illegal release of their tax information to others.
 
Old 06-29-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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Again, I detailed two conservative organizations that gained 501c-4 tax exempt status one in 2010 and one in 2011.
And? Just becsue they had it granted means nothing when you're dragging 100 percent of these groups through this process while simialr liberal groups aren't even looked at or skate through the process.


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100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases during the timeframe of our audit.
 
Old 06-29-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Again, I detailed two conservative organizations that gained 501c-4 tax exempt status one in 2010 and one in 2011. Both if which spent huge money in the 2012 election. That doesn't even count the Koch brothers Sheldon Aldeson. conservative 501c-4 organizations spent huge amounts of money in the 2012.


And not getting tax exempt status doesn't stop or prevent any organization from being politically active. The IRS can't control this.

So this conspiracy still makes no sense. These organizations didn't get denied tax exempt status only delayed. The IRS can't and couldn't prevent these organizations from being politically active
Your/Obama's political arm, Organizing for Action, received tax exempt status in less than 2 months. This fiasco has so much fact and so many 'coincidences,' that the reasonable inference to any normal person is intentional discrimination against non-Obama organizations.
 
Old 06-29-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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The IRS should investigate and enforce tax law. This is the whole reason it exists.

In this case there wasn't even an investigation, but even if there was, that's why the IRS exists to investigate and enforce tax law.


Are conservatives so far off in Lalala land that government organizations doing their job is a scandal? Lol SMH

conservatives are drifting further and further away from reality.
Are liberals so far off that they just assume that the government should use force and coercion to achieve its (and their) goals?

Need I remind you of the IRS EO Division's Mission Statement?

Mission: To provide Exempt Organizations customers top quality service by helping them to understand and comply with applicable tax laws, and to protect the public interest by applying the tax law with integrity and fairness to all.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Tax-Exempt-&-...on-At-a-Glance

[emphasis mine]

What part of "in the future" is so hard to understand? Are you living in Fantsywood with lvoc and playing Minority Report together?
 
Old 06-29-2014, 08:46 AM
 
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Again, I detailed two conservative organizations that gained 501c-4 tax exempt status one in 2010 and one in 2011. Both if which spent huge money in the 2012 election. That doesn't even count the Koch brothers Sheldon Aldeson. conservative 501c-4 organizations spent huge amounts of money in the 2012.


And not getting tax exempt status doesn't stop or prevent any organization from being politically active. The IRS can't control this.

So this conspiracy still makes no sense. These organizations didn't get denied tax exempt status only delayed. The IRS can't and couldn't prevent these organizations from being politically active
Just delayed (for up to 18 months).

Why would that matter, right? I mean it's not like time is of the essence in a campaign...

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This report presents the results of our review to determine whether allegations were founded that
the Internal Revenue Service (IRS): 1) targeted specific groups applying for tax-exempt status,
2) delayed processing of targeted groups’ applications for tax-exempt status, and 3) requested
unnecessary information from targeted groups.
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf
 
Old 06-29-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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You've got mail and an IRS auditor knocking on your door: Examiner Editorial | WashingtonExaminer.com



What is the difference between Lois Lerner opening an envelope mistakenly for meant for someone else. Inside a company offers to sell this individual stock at a discount. Lerner than thinks that this warrants an audit for the most recent year, because the intended recipient 'might' buy the stock and then 'might' not report the proper capital gains in a future year.
I don't think Grassley was her concern. IMO she was questioning whether or not the exempt organization should be audited based on the political activity related to Grassley.
 
Old 06-29-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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I don't think Grassley was her concern. IMO she was questioning whether or not the exempt organization should be audited based on the political activity related to Grassley.
You need to reread that email:

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/upload...s_grassley.pdf

The concern was over Grassley which is why Giuliano mentioned him not once, not twice, not three times and not four time but five times in all.
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