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Old 06-27-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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Considering they were lied to and stonewalled at the beginning of the questioning about the only way they've been able to actually attract attention to all of that has been by way of the media. It serves its purpose until a real investigation can be conducted of which there are some going on on various things but as far as I know nothing in totality.

It's no longer okay for the IRS to investigate itself after having learned about the ridiculous amount of information lost not by 1 person but by as many as 7 in total. The odds of that happening are so extraordinarily high as to not be believable.
Why do they need to attract attention to conduct an investigation?

 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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She's the only one who can answer that. But, there is lots of other testimony/information to be gather from other people in the meantime.
If she isn't guilty then just answer the damn questions. It's that simple. But hey while they are at it, LOSING 2 years of emails doesn't help us to the "bottom of it".

And yet you try desperately to defend it.
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:52 PM
 
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It is thus this change in a word that creates the confusion for the IRS who still has to follow the law and attempt to ascertain if these organizations that are asking for tax empemt status are in violation of tax law, which basically they all are.
Are they?

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4.76.13.4 (03-01-2003)
Operational Requirements - Social Welfare Organizations

To qualify as a social welfare organization under IRC section 501(c)(4), an organization must be operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare. An organization is considered to be operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare if it is primarily engaged in activities which in some way promote the common good and general welfare of the community.

Political activities, operation of a social club for members, and the conduct of business with the general public in a manner generally similar to for-profit organizations are not considered to be activities for the promotion of social welfare. Therefore, an organization which is primarily engaged in these nonqualifying activities, does not qualify as a social welfare organization under IRC section 501(c)(4).

Social activities for the benefit, pleasure, or recreation of members do not promote accomplishment of social welfare purposes and thus are not qualifying social welfare activities. However, such social activities do not preclude exemption under IRC section 501(c)(4) so long as those social activities, along with any other activities that do not promote social welfare purposes, are not the primary activities of the organization.

Treas. Reg. section 1.501(c)(4)-1(a)(2)(ii) specifically provides that an organization will not qualify for exemption as a civic organization described in IRC section 501(c)(4) if its primary activity is the operation of a social club for the benefit, pleasure, or recreation of its members.

The conduct of business with the general public in a manner similar to for-profit organizations does not promote the accomplishment of social welfare purposes. However, such conduct of business with the general public on a for profit basis, does not preclude exemption under IRC section 501(c)(4) so long as such business with the general public, along with any other activities that do not promote social welfare purposes, are not the primary activities of the organization.
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part4/irm_04-076-013.html#d0e101

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Exempt Organization taxpayers represent more than 1.6 million tax exempt organizations — including about 400,000 religious organizations — with approximately $2.4 trillion in assets.

Exempt Organizations (EO) (Tax Information for Charities & Other Non-Profits)
Mission: To provide Exempt Organizations customers top quality service by helping them to understand and comply with applicable tax laws, and to protect the public interest by applying the tax law with integrity and fairness to all.
Tax Exempt & Government Entities Division At-a-Glance

Does that sound like what happened?
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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then that should include the dnc, any union, naacp, alfcio, aclu, etc

why should any of these organizations be tax exempt
There are sub categories of 501c tax law. And I don't know the 501 tax exempt status of those organizations or all unions and I'm not going to look it up, but I do know that there are differences in tax exempt status requirements for different kinds of organizations.

But imo any organizations that violate the boundaries of the tax law should not have have tax exempt status.
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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huh...who says lerner is the mastermind,,,,not one conservative has EVER said that...just you

lerrner is the key...yes the key peon ...she got her orders from someone...the actual 'mastermind'
conservatives are saying Lois Lerner is the master mind in the ways I have exhaustively and repeatedly detailed.
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:56 PM
 
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But imo any organizations that violate the boundaries of the tax law should not have have tax exempt status.
So you don't even know what the issue is???

The issue is TIME not IF.

Again why was Obama's brother who operated illegally for years fast tracked within a month approved and made retroactive while Obama's political enemies took 3 years (past the elections)
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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These partisan political organizations shouldn't ever be given tax exempt status period.
Then you need to remove exemption for the NAACP, Churches and just about every other group....
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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Why do they need to attract attention to conduct an investigation?
Um, this is Washington we're talking about. Nothing moves these people unless it's in the news and people are interested in it. Americans have the attention span of gnats. Simply finding out someone lied to congress doesn't matter unless it involves the general public finding out. That's something that should be looked upon as a good thing when stonewalling, lying outright, lying by omission, wars of attrition, etc. etc. etc. are occurring in what is pretty much the strongest department in the entire U.S. The IRS is basically responsible for collecting the money to fund the U.S. and to find out it's not applying those standards in a fair and impartial way is something to worry about on so many levels.
 
Old 06-27-2014, 06:59 PM
 
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Again it is objective fact that both liberal and conservative political organizations had their applications delayed.
An it's objective fact that conservative groups like the tea party had 100% of their applications delayed.
 
Old 06-27-2014, 07:00 PM
 
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Why do they need to attract attention to conduct an investigation?
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Um, this is Washington we're talking about. Nothing moves these people unless it's in the news and people are interested in it.
And that is exactly why a "watch dog" media is important. But today we have a Obama "lap dog" media.
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