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Old 09-25-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Gun rights advocates aren't saying anything because they usually tend to get involved with issues that actually involve...wait for it........gun rights. Your pathetic attempt to link gun rights to an incident of police accidentally shooting someone who was buying a BB gun at walmart is pathetic at best but at the same time it's really fun to watch. It's another example of what occurs in Liberal Bizzaro World- the alternate reality that liberals like to live in.......
You don't think police having the authority to shoot you for not putting down your gun quick enough in an open-carry state is a gun right's issue? Really? Haha...

If police were allowed to shoot you for not letting them into your house when they asked, would you consider that a right's violation, or is that just cops "accidentally" entering into your home...
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Old 09-25-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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You don't think police having the authority to shoot you for not putting down your gun quick enough in an open-carry state is a gun right's issue? Really? Haha...

If police were allowed to shoot you for not letting them into your house when they asked, would you consider that a right's violation, or is that just cops "accidentally" entering into your home...
Open carrying (or concealed) with your hands on the gun is illegal and is considered brandishing. It's a felony. So no... he was not "open carrying".
It's mandatory knowledge for those of us who who carry.
However this does not apply to this situation, the man was holding store merchandise.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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No offense, but most of the people bantering about open carry rights are single issue conservative voters. So here's a guy that gets shot, holding a piece of store merchandise, and there is little if any outcry from gun rights advocates on this matter. It's mum really.

It DOES make me wonder what would have happened if it were a white guy 'exercising his right' to open carry and he was mowed down.

I think it's a very valid observation.
It's a very BLIND observation.

Don't know where you and the OP got the idea that "conservatives" are being silent on the matter. I've been flabbergasted by the whole thing since it happened, and was utterly shocked when I found out that nobody's being held accountable for the crime.

You guys only see what you want to see, apparently. Try opening your eyes, and when you're reading something written by one of those evil "conservatives," you might actually try paying attention once in a while to what they've written, instead of just scanning the posts for specific keywords that you can exploit to claim that the author is a racist.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The caller needs to go to jail for stating in his 911 call that the shooter was "waving the gun around". Video evidence shows that was a lie and he has admitted to it.

Everyone should watch the video from the mindset that the police showing up on the scene were told that a guy was waving a gun around at people.

I wish they'd shot the 911 caller.

Family is going to get everything that caller owns and a big settlement from the police dept. as well.

Those officers should be fired for poor training but a criminal indictment given they were lied to....that's a longshot.
It is no one's fault except for the COPs who pulled the trigger. They should be charged with premeditated murder.

The COPs did not assess the situation, did not announce who they were, and did not instruct the victim to put down the firearm. They simply came in guns blazing. They intended to kill the victim before they ever saw him. That constitutes premeditation.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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It is no one's fault except for the COPs who pulled the trigger. They should be charged with premeditated murder.

The COPs did not assess the situation, did not announce who they were, and did not instruct the victim to put down the firearm. They simply came in guns blazing. They intended to kill the victim before they ever saw him. That constitutes premeditation.
Sorry, no. The premeditation to create the situation was by the irresponsible 911 caller. He set the stage and the mental expectations for the cops by reporting a man walking around threatening people with a gun, and by stating that he had loaded it. The cops had every reason to expect the worst. This could be considered "murder by cop", in the lines of "suicide by cop".

That doesn't excuse their pizz poor handling of the situation or relieve them of responsibility. I'd split the blame 50/50 between the caller and the cops, who failed to properly assess the situation.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It's a very BLIND observation.

Don't know where you and the OP got the idea that "conservatives" are being silent on the matter. I've been flabbergasted by the whole thing since it happened, and was utterly shocked when I found out that nobody's being held accountable for the crime.

You guys only see what you want to see, apparently. Try opening your eyes, and when you're reading something written by one of those evil "conservatives," you might actually try paying attention once in a while to what they've written, instead of just scanning the posts for specific keywords that you can exploit to claim that the author is a racist.
Sorry. You make a good point. Could you please point me to some of these discussions that are going on in Conservative media b/c I'm very interested in how they think this should be dealt with.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I made an observation, not a cry of racism.
Bull.
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No offense, but most of the people bantering about open carry rights are single issue conservative voters. So here's a guy that gets shot, holding a piece of store merchandise, and there is little if any outcry from gun rights advocates on this matter. It's mum really.

It DOES make me wonder what would have happened if it were a white guy 'exercising his right' to open carry and he was mowed down.

I think it's a very valid observation.
That's an accusation of racism, straight-up. That you're trying to lie about it is laughable. Man up and own your words.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Show me b/c I can't find Conservative outrage for this egregious violation of the 2nd amendment. I can't even find it on the NRA's site, and they're the ones who've been spearheading the open-carry movement.



How is it an insane bridge to cross to ask why the people who are the most vocal about protecting the 2nd Amendment are strangely silent about this obvious, egregious violation of the 2nd Amendment?



Since when have gun-rights activists deferred to prosecutors when it comes to defending the 2nd Amendment?



Biggest difference being that Utah isn't open-carry, Ohio is. The 2nd biggest difference is that there's clear video evidence of what went down in Ohio, not in Utah.



The question is about who to blame. The question is why aren't Conservatives outraged by this clear violation of the 2nd Amendment?
Here's a dollar. Please use it to buy a clue.

This case has nothing to do with open carry or the 2nd Amendment. NOTHING.

How you guys come up with this twisted nonsense is beyond me.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Sorry. You make a good point. Could you please point me to some of these discussions that are going on in Conservative media b/c I'm very interested in how they think this should be dealt with.
Somebody should call the FBI and report a couple of cops waving guns in a threatening manner. The Feds should 'pokerize them on the spot.
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Old 09-25-2014, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Sorry. You make a good point. Could you please point me to some of these discussions that are going on in Conservative media b/c I'm very interested in how they think this should be dealt with.
Come over and have a cup of coffee with me. I'd be happy to give you an earful about it.

As for your search to find something very specific on very specific websites, do your own damn research. I'm not your search engine.
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