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Coming apart at the seams? That's a bit dramatic, surely? Jonathan Gruber is an economics professor and policy consultant for hire--he's not exactly a big wheel in Democratic politics.
In any case, it's pretty much a truism at this point that both parties commonly rely on the stupidity of the public to do all sorts of things they'd never get away with in a country with more educated electorate.
Failure at making gruber videos an equivalent. While marketing goes on in both parties, gruber is seen as an ivory tower elitist academic, characteristic of the obama administration.
How do you explain Pelosi saying she never heard of gruber when there is a video of her introducing gruber. Does that not disturb you. Does it not make you wonder with people of Pelosi's ethics, and competence in charge of your health care, if you have placed your faith in the hands of the incpompetent?
How does it make you feel when obama's medical ethiscist, Ezechial Emanual, said, what the president meant when he said, 'you can keep your doctor,PERIOD!', is 'you can keep your doctor if you can afford yo keep your doctor'.
The fees gruber has collected from the obama admin is now in the $$4 mill neighborhood.
Gruber was in the several meeting in the oval office.
Gruber had a page devoted to him in the obamacare website.
Obama feigned knowledge of Gruber trying to suggest he was one of many and f no significance. Does that denial give you pause to wonder if your faith in Obamacare is misplaced?
Whatever you say man. I checked again, and it's there.
I'm referring to your assertion that insurance works as Gruber described. It doesn't, and you've been given several examples proving such. And that's exactly why states had high risk insurance pools long before the ACA.
Whatever you say man. I checked again, and it's there. What you choose to believe, or not believe is of no interest to me.
He said lack of transparency was critical for passage. If you made it clear that people with cancer, diabetes, AIDS, heart disease, etc., could buy a health insurance policy and not pay a penny more in premiums than a healthy person, the votes in Congress wouldn't have been there.
He said lack of transparency was critical for passage. If you made it clear that people with cancer, diabetes, AIDS, heart disease, etc., could buy a health insurance policy and not pay a penny more in premiums than a healthy person, the votes in Congress wouldn't have been there.
Pre-existing conditions? That was one of the most often repeated selling points. What makes you say people had no knowledge about it? Yes, the healthy pay for the sick. That's the whole thing in a nutshell, and contrary to Gruber's' comment that was actually was the selling point. Get the young and the healthy to sign up through the mandate, and then you'd have a larger pool of payers. You never heard them say that?
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I'm referring to your assertion that insurance works as Gruber described. It doesn't, and you've been given several examples proving such. And that's exactly why states had high risk insurance pools long before the ACA.
He said:
"if you had a law which said healthy people are gonna pay in... If you made it explicit the healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed"
Healthy people pay in, and the sick get paid, even if you had preexisting conditions. That's how it was sold. Get the young and the healthy to sign up through the mandate, and then you'd have a larger pool of payers. You never heard them say that? Really?
Everyone knew that is how it would work because that's how insurance works. Even single payer system works like that. If you did not know, they you are one of the stupid people he was referring to. There are VERY FEW people who does not know this.
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