Oregon: Anti-gay Christian bakery found guilty of discrimination (working, spend, considered)
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Our system is broken/has cracks. That's why ridiculous suits like this even get entertained.
You mean that people break the law and get caught doing so? That is not cracks in the system, that is how the system is supposed to work. You break the law, you get in trouble. Pretty simple actually.
Then don;t offer wedding cakes for sale if your religion is against selling cakes for a reception.
P.S. a reception is not a ceremony, it is an after party.
How about simply not forcing Christian business owners into conflicting positions just so you can have your cake? Now if it was a plumber who refused service to gays, I would be totally on your side.
A reception is still a celebration of a sinful act.
How about simply not forcing Christian business owners into conflicting positions just so you can have your cake? Now if it was a plumber who refused service to gays, I would be totally on your side.
A reception is still a celebration of a sinful act.
Sorry but your personal religious beliefs do not exempt you from following the same laws as everyone else.
Sorry but your personal religious beliefs do not exempt you from following the same laws as everyone else.
And as usual, you are over simplifying a complex problem. Where do you draw the line on discrimination? Will preachers be forced to marry gays because they offer the same service to straight folks? The laws are so loosely based that gay organizations can twist them to have access to everything. That is the real agenda here. Not a just campaign for equality.
And as usual, you are over simplifying a complex problem. Where do you draw the line on discrimination? Will preachers be forced to marry gays because they offer the same service to straight folks? The laws are so loosely based that gay organizations can twist them to have access to everything. That is the real agenda here. Not a just campaign for equality.
No, because Churches are not subject to anti discrimination laws. Neither are groups in which the inclusion of elements contrary to their message would constitute an extreme burden on how they would operate. The boy scouts would be a perfect example of this. Just being a day to day person doesn't grant you that exception though.
And as usual, you are over simplifying a complex problem. Where do you draw the line on discrimination? Will preachers be forced to marry gays because they offer the same service to straight folks? The laws are so loosely based that gay organizations can twist them to have access to everything. That is the real agenda here. Not a just campaign for equality.
CHURCHES are not businesses and are not required to follow any anti-discrimination laws.
Not one public accommodation law has anything to do with churches, in fact the all list what public accommodations are covered, and specifically exclude religious organizations.
Churches can, and do, deny services for people all the time. There was one last year that refused to marry a black couple. One that refused to marry an interracial couple. One that refused to marry a straight couple because the preacher didn't like her dress. They routinely refuse to marry interfaith couples and even divorced couples.
Please don't try that slippery slope crap, since reality has already proven you incorrect.
Don't want to adhere to the rules and regulations of your locality, don't open a business in that locality.
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Originally Posted by jjrose
The government did not force anyone to open a business.
Do either of you believe the government should be allowed to listen into your phone calls without a warrant or cause because you made the choice to talk on a phone and nobody is forcing you to use the phone?
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