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View Poll Results: Was America a more moral country in 1967
more moral in '67 49 41.18%
more moral today 38 31.93%
equal in morality 32 26.89%
Voters: 119. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-02-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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On a per-capita basis - the only basis that matters - there were fewer murders in 2013 than there were in 1967.
look at every single other stat



murders are effected by medical technology many people who would have died in the 60s from a gun shot wound would have been saved today thanks to better medical practices.

even cell phones drastically effect murder rates positively in way that has nothing to do with morality
1965 I see someone who was stabbed bleeding to death (I have no medical training) I now have to go look for a phone till I can call someone to save his life and he bleeds to death
today I save a lot of time by using my cell phone EMS gets there quickly and he is saved


In fact in my cell phone example in 65 I acted in a more moral fashion because it was harder to run about then just taking out my phone, but the action was fruitless.


This is even true when talking about current trends
This is talking about a 1 year period
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The number of shootings in New York City has spiked by 13 percent so far this year, though the murder rate is on track to hit a 50-year low, a statistical paradox that experts said reflects quick medical response.
The declining homicide rate, despite an increase in shooting victims, reflects in part improved emergency medical response time, said Steven Messner, a criminal justice professor at the State University of New York at Albany.
similar stats have been reported on elsewhere
Murders Down, Shootings Up In 2014 « CBS Chicago
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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The question doesn't even make sense... more moral than what? You are asking us to compare it to something else but don't bother to include that. How is a country judged as to its morals anyway?

This is why kids need to stay in school.
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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If we were to measure public opinion to progressiveness as moral then no, its subjective thought. And from the perspectives of different races/groups you will have different opinions. Considering education and opportunity were being denied on a national level to those who had to choice but to be here I'd say no.If you're talking from a point of religious morality then perhaps but its hypocritical considering atheists were marginalized and stifled. So for me this country has never really had any morals, just agendas that fit well with opportunistic politicians.
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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The question doesn't even make sense... more moral than what? You are asking us to compare it to something else but don't bother to include that
today

should be clear to begin with
but it's very clear if you look at the poll

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How is a country judged as to its morals anyway?
that is the most asinine question I have ever heard
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Harder to get into a monogamous relationship with someone you can trust? Perhaps? I don't see casual sex as being 'immoral' per say.. we are more tolerant as a culture than the past.. bad things have always gone on you just hear about it more due to fast media/internet/etc.

People don't seem to understand this and always talk about the world 'going to hell' but it's really always been hell, they just need to turn off their tee vees. If anything things were MUCH worse in the past with violence and control towards others. Plus there are just plain more people in the world today so statistically you are at least twice as likely to hear about some bad 'thing' that sends you into an emotional rant on some internet forum... more like 10x more likely since everyone has a smart phone and is recording everything.

We have an unprecedented amount of personal liberty and freedom from the tyranny of others today. Those who don't think so are wearing rose colored nostalgic glasses. Back hundreds of years ago the church controlled what people knew and they could not read and only knew what they were told. If they left the safety of their cities they were just as likely to get killed by roaming nomads as they were by the elements. Now you can hike pretty much anywhere with absolute safety.. see the world in ways people hundreds of years ago could never imagine and never get lost thanks to technology.
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Old 03-02-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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On a per-capita basis - the only basis that matters - there were fewer murders in 2013 than there were in 1967.
United States Population and Rate of Crime per 100,000 People
bold is higher
---------------------- 1966 ----2013
Violent--------------220.0--- 367.9
Property------------2,450.9- 2,730.7
Murder ---------------5.6 ----- 4.5
Forcible Rape -------13.2 ----- 25.2
Robbery -------------80.8 ---- 109.1
Aggravated assault--120.3 -- 229.1
Burglary -----------721.0-- 610.0 (60 was 508.6)
Larceny-Theft ------1,442.9 - 1,899.4
Vehicle Theft -------286.9 -- 221.3 (60 was 183.0)
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Old 03-02-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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Was America a more moral country in 1967
MUCH MORE!!!!!

People are insane these days.... THEY ARE RE-PROGRAMMED ROBOTS!!
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Old 03-02-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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that is the most asinine question I have ever heard
How so? Do you deny that there were truly good people in Nazi Germany? In fact, I imagine most German people were fairly decent people. So, does that make Nazi Germany good or bad? You can say it's bad because of Hitler or you can say it's good because plenty of German people just wanted to go to work, spend time with their family, and enjoy being alive. Which one trumps the other? That's of course slightly easier to answer for Nazi Germany, but how do you do that for the US?
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:00 PM
 
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United States Population and Rate of Crime per 100,000 People
bold is higher
---------------------- 1966 ----2013
Violent--------------220.0--- 367.9
Property------------2,450.9- 2,730.7
Murder ---------------5.6 ----- 4.5
Forcible Rape -------13.2 ----- 25.2
Robbery -------------80.8 ---- 109.1
Aggravated assault--120.3 -- 229.1
Burglary -----------721.0-- 610.0 (60 was 508.6)
Larceny-Theft ------1,442.9 - 1,899.4
Vehicle Theft -------286.9 -- 221.3 (60 was 183.0)
However we are a lot safer today than we were in the 70s, 80s and 90s. You've just got more people living in fear these days.
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:03 PM
 
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How so? Do you deny that there were truly good people in Nazi Germany?
yeah 1/10000


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In fact, I imagine most German people were fairly decent people.
The German people are just as much to blaim as Hitler himself.
he was elected by them, they supported him and his policies.
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