2 Amazon reps tell customers "the government" and "federal law," respectively, are instructing co. don't sell Conf. flag (compare, terrorism)

[Iamme73]

Originally Posted by 3~Shepherds

Can't wait to see what they come up with to take away from people next month. This administration should worry more about ISIS drowning people and filming it, than a flag flying that many people are defending, including blacks.

Yeah they haven't taken anything away. Racists can still fly the confederate flag and reaffirm their connection to murderous racists like mr roof.

[WannaliveinGreenville]

I guess it's okay with Walmart that Americans are being beheaded by ISIS (make a cake please) and apparently the Confederate Flags are worse than beheadings... (no Confederate cakes please... too offensive)

hrmm....





The cake is worse than this:

[Iamme73]

Originally Posted by KC_Sleuth

I can understand the argument that the confederate flag was not an official flag of the CSA, and so it has very loose connection to slavery (battle flag argument). However, the confederate flag has connection to a time period that is almost as bad as antebellum south: segregationist, anti-Civil Rights Southerners of the 1950s & 1960s. Consider the record that this flag represented in those days:

- Murders of civil rights leaders and workers
- abuse of civil rights protesters (think images of fire-hoses turned on people demanding equal treatment)
- Plessy vs. Ferguson/Jim Crow era separate facilities, schools, establishments for non-whites that were clearly unequal.
- Rise of the Klan as a terrorist force
- Blatant attempts to stand in the way of integration of schools, facilities, businesses.
- A general stubbornness and refusal to disassociate from white-supremacist racial views.
- Considering anyone from the North who suggested that integration was right as "agitators".

How can anyone look back at this history with any pride? How could you celebrate any association with the fact that your "southern pride" comes from the notion that you didn't listen to the federal government when they stated that you should treat people equally regardless of race (a tennet that seems is pretty much universally understood as righteous).

The confederate flag was used by George Wallace in segregationist message campaign ads, for crying out loud.

This is a serious question...I am a millenial and I just can't understand how anyone could have supported 1950s-era southern attitudes.

They don't. They like the flag percisely for its racist meaning.

[jetgraphics]

The Confederate Battle Flag is a reminder of the triumph of the Union and the eradication of private chattel slavery, something to celebrate - not fear or hate.

Unless, of course, your goal is to destroy the united States of America with public chattel slavery (socialism) and perpetual indebtedness to usurers (banks). Then it IS intolerable to be reminded that folks may rebel.

[Cnynrat]

To answer the OP, because liberals are fond of meaningless symbolic gestures. Because they favor "doing something" over actions that actually produce results, which often leads them to do the easy things.

One can still buy Nazi memorabilia, or a Che Guevera flag on Amazon, both symbols of some of the worst murderous tyrants the world has seen.

But you can't buy anything with a Confederate flag anymore.

[texan2yankee]

I get angry when people compare the Nazi symbol on a flag to the Confederate Flag. There is nothing positive about Nazis.

The men who fought for the south in the civil war mostly not slave owners. They were good men. The confederate flag is a real part of our culture and the history in America.

So many want to rewrite, bury, forget our history. Nothing good can come of it.

[metalmancpa]

Originally Posted by Iamme73

This is a bogus argument. There is no disagreement that the flag has historical significance, but that significance is being the symbol of a traitorous, mudering, racist death cult dedicated to keeping human beings as property.

There is zero reason, why America or individual states loyal to America, and against murder and racism and slavery should give that flag a place of honor or the men who fought under that flag.

Again, if one thinks of black Americans as full citizens in America and individual states, then honoring a flag and people dedicated to their death and enslavement, is hateful and racist.

I absolutely understand your point.

But the question becomes what is the flags meaning when it was first introduced? Does it stand for oppression and the fight to keep slavery, or does it stand for the fight for the right of a states existence?

Meanings change over time. I for one do not know the origin of meaning of the flag. But it was made in a time where slavery did exist, and the north and south had opposing opinions on what the country should be. But it wasn't all bout slavery, as there were other reasons the north and south fought.

I do not thing my argument is bogus. It's just a debate, one with two sides that may never meet. I for one was never taught that the confederate flag stood for slavery and oppression. Maybe the meaning changed over time and that's what people believe today.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by ambient

Just remember that the people who waved that flag wanted to keep you and your family members as slaves.

"Just remember that the people who waved that flag wanted to keep you and your family members as slaves."

And how many of those have you interviewed?

To "know" what they thought you must have been there and asked them

To "presume" to know what they thought is beyond your capability.

[Kracer]

Originally Posted by neko_mimi

I don't remember them complaining about it a few weeks ago.

Of course we know that it's because their messiah and his favorite race baiter told them to. But I just wanted to hear their excuses as to why they suddenly decided to be outraged.

Libs live a world of theory, futuristic projections, rhetoric, never delivered promises and symbolic gesture to cushion the hopelessness they create.

Faced with a problem they reach into their quiver and pull out, in this case, an arrow tipped with symbolism.

[Yeledaf]

Originally Posted by Iamme73

The lie that the civil war was about states rights is an add on after the fact lie that northern and southern white folks invented to sort of bury the hatchet after the war.

You are partially correct, though the causes of the civil war included many more factors than slavery, most of them involving the struggle for the bigger share of business profits between northern financiers and southern landowners, with the working-class people of both the Union and the Confederacy bearing the brunt of the fighting, dying, and suffering. Just like it's always been, from the Revolution to Vietnam.

Concerning your reference to " burying the hatchet"', what would you have preferred? A continuance of the Civil War? The imprisonment of every Southerner? Nuremberg-style war trials and mass hangings? The assassination of President Lincoln, and the resulting promulgation of Reconstruction created the depth of bitterness in the south which gave rise to the KKK and the Dixiecrats -- and the revival of the display of the Confederate battle flag, which is the source of current controversy.

Consider this: without the (admittedly imperfect) reconciliation between north and south in the years after the Civil War, our country might have faced the wars of the twentieth century without one of its most important human resources -- the hundreds of thousands of southern soldiers, sailors, and airmen, who continue to form the backbone of our armed forces.

Don't get me wrong: I do not for one moment mean to minimize the importance of African-American servicemen, and whites and Hispanic troops from other regions of the country. But if people start applying words like "traitor" to southerners, and retroactively implying that our country would have been better off treating the south even more like a conquered province, they need to think twice about how one expresses their patriotism toward the U.S.A., and whether displaying a flag outweighs fighting and dying for one's country. Some Southerners have done the former; many more have done the latter. Do not overlook that fact.