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Maryland attacked the problem 20 years ago by outlawing small caliber handguns, what were then called Saturday Night Specials.
What happened was the bad guys then uparmored to larger calibers.
Well than that worked out good for them didn't it ?!
So 20 years ago this was tried and it failed, why are we still talking about it ? Why do people still buy into it ? Are they really that short sighted ?
it wont matter. and in fact many gun laws ARE nationwide. for instance if you want to own an automatic fire weapon, you first have to get an FFL, before you can legally purchase say a full auto AK47. and yet i would be willing to bet that there are quite the number of gang members that have in their possession full auto AK47s, and NO FFL. nice try but you have alreayd failed in your argument.
agreed, the problem however is locating them, and then legally removing them from society.
if bank robbery were to be made legal, then it technically would not robbery now would it? but the fact is that more gun laws only take firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens, criminals still get their guns on the black market. in fact criminals laugh at new gun laws, and even encourage them because they know then that law abiding citizens will have fewer guns in their possession.
if laws worked, then we would have no crime. people would say, gee robbing this bank is illegal, so i wont do it. if we are going to really try and stop crime, then what needs to happen is we stop coddling criminals once they are convicted, and give them very long prison sentences. so if someone who is twenty now commits a crime using a gun, then they should be 40 before they get out of prison. no deals, no time off for good behavior, no parole, you serve the entire sentence.
as i said before, if new gun laws reduced crime, then places like chicago, los angeles, san francisco, and other places that have large numbers of gun laws should be paradises. but they arent. why? because criminals DONT CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS. they get their guns illegally in the first place. if they get caught with a gun they shouldnt have, they dont care as its a small time crime. the go to prison, do their 2-3 years,5 in some places, and are out again on the street looking for another illegal gun to use when committing another crime. if you want to make a difference, as i have noted before as well, stiffen up the penalties for having an illegal firearm in your possession. instead of a few years, make the sentence 20 years, no parole, you do the entire stretch, and that is just for the gun. if you commit a crime with that gun, then you add on another 10 years. make it to where criminals do not want to go back to prison as well. make them break rocks for ten hours a day, or other such hard labor. no more giving them the comforts of life in prison, they have no rights, they should not get cable tv, and porn, and other niceties of life, that is not what prison is for.
Poverty and culture. Unless you have a good idea on how to make young black males not want to kill each other, this is something we will not be able to change. We can eliminate the tools that allow them to kill each other with such ease. Mainly handguns.
How many guns those people use to kill each other are obtained legally?
I'd venture to say hardly any of those guns are obtained legally. If that truly is the case, what makes you think more laws would help?
This is a bit old data but still shows the picture. Please note the 39.6% obtained from a friends or family member does not mean "legally" either.
A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:
• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
• 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market
• 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop
• 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets
Typical reply... obviously you haven't been listening. Many of us have said we need a reboot of our judicial system, a reboot of how we handle the mentally ill. That is where we should be focusing out attention.
Here in Detroit they are trying to but I still don't think it is enough. One of their suggestions is if you have 3 prior felonies and get caught with a firearm or doing a crime with one you get an instant 15 years. 3 prior felonies ?!? You shouldn't be out of prison with 3 prior felonies to begin with...
Gun shops out is state selling a magazine to a California resident is legal. Gun shops out of state who do this cannot get in any trouble as they do not fall under California law.
A lot of FUD in your post.
Not so much. But take it as you will. Its transportation of a prohibited item across state lines. Yes the store CAN get in trouble for it. As soon as the mag crosses the border, if the one in possession gets caught with it, the store can be nailed as accessory. (Sbrug) but whatever man.
Transporting guns into CA for competitive reasons is a risk not worth it as well. A friend of mine lost his guns on a traffic stop, coming back from a USPSA event. "Improper transportation", so it was said, because there was some ammo in the trunk , even though the guns were in locked cases , and most of the ammo was in the required seperate locked case, in the cab, the mistake cost him big.
The gun shops here don't want anything to do with CA residents buying hi cap mags, or any other items CA has deemed evil. Most post that fact. "CA residents, no sale of high capacity magazines. Please don't ask". And similar wording. If there is no liability for the store, why would they even sweat it?
High capacity mag laws...another joke. If the dolts only knew how quickly one can do a mag change (with practice) ... or in the case of those evil AR's just duct tape two standard capacity mags together. Just proof they only push these laws to make the sheeple feel like something is getting done. Eventually though even the sheeple will catch on.. well maybe.
We are suggesting to have laws targeting the criminals. Laws like Florida's 10/20/Life would do nicely. Personally I'd go 20/Life with parole/Life without parole.
"According to the Florida Parole Commission (FPC), in 2000, there was a 26.4% decrease in violent, gun-related crime compared to 1998. Florida's "Index Crime" rate for 2000, which is based on a variety of different crimes, had dropped 18% from the previous year, and had reached its lowest level in 28 years.[2] According to the Florida Department of Corrections (FDC), by 2004, violent gun crime rates had fallen 30% since 1998, and the Index Crime rate had reached the lowest in 34 years, despite a 16.8% increase in population during that time period.[6] The Florida Parole Commission and Department of Corrections both acknowledged that these results were influenced by a multitude of crime prevention programs in addition to the 10-20-Life law, such as the Three-Strike Violent Felony Offender Act, the Habitual Juvenile Offender Accountability Act and "Operation T.H.U.G.S." ("Taking Hoodlums Using Guns Seriously"), a program targeting felons with warrants for violent-crime and a violent history."
Have laws that punish crimes not laws that restrict the freedom of 300 million+ Americans.
Next up you'll be pushing thought crimes.
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Originally Posted by scarabchuck
Typical reply... obviously you haven't been listening. Many of us have said we need a reboot of our judicial system, a reboot of how we handle the mentally ill. That is where we should be focusing out attention.
Here in Detroit they are trying to but I still don't think it is enough. One of their suggestions is if you have 3 prior felonies and get caught with a firearm or doing a crime with one you get an instant 15 years. 3 prior felonies ?!? You shouldn't be out of prison with 3 prior felonies to begin with...
There are laws that restrict all sorts of "freedoms". There are countless laws governing how we travel, use the roads, the food we eat, aviation, maternity, child protection, security, how business is setup and carried out, trade etc etc etc. Most (even if the outcome isn't as intended) are meant for societes protection. Sensible gun laws are not about "taking away your freedom", they are about making society safer.
As for the mentally ill comment. I agree that more should be done. But mental illness is not unique to America. What is unique is 12,000 homicides a year, mass shootings and the casual attitude toward guns in society.
There are laws that restrict all sorts of "freedoms". There are countless laws governing how we travel, use the roads, the food we eat, aviation, maternity, child protection, security, how business is setup and carried out, trade etc etc etc. Most (even if the outcome isn't as intended) are meant for societes protection. Sensible gun laws are not about "taking away your freedom", they are about making society safer.
As for the mentally ill comment. I agree that more should be done. But mental illness is not unique to America. What is unique is 12,000 homicides a year, mass shootings and the casual attitude toward guns in society.
Sensible gun laws should take guns away from criminals, not to make innocent people criminals. There are plenty ways to do that.
I am baffled by that you somehow can't see there's another way than a total gun ban.
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