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Regarding recent technology: The world is a bigger place in every way now and a man's potential is infinite and his dreams, goals and aspirations have a higher value than just being a husband, provider and father. Life is short & there is far more to life than sex. Especially sex with the terms and conditions required of a man that wants it. MGTOW is freedom from slavery, a light in the darkness and a spiritual awakening that is allowing men to break their chains and escape from the archaic and medieval prison their souls were once destined for had they continued following cultural and societal norms.
The awakening has begun. . . . .
No Fate : Only Power of Will
OK... but men have always been driven to reach for their goals and dreams in large part by their desire for sex and relationships with women. If they swear off that, and replace girls with porn and video games, where is the energy going to come from?
I agree, which is why I don't hold those views. There is nothing wrong with women looking for a romantic, nice, strong and financially secure partner. I see women as individuals and have more female then male friends. It is just that I don't want to be intimate with one because I don't see the point of intimacy, and sex is overrated. The whole "romance" thing is not worth the effort for something that isn't very enjoyable for me. That's it.
If a gay man says he doesn't want to be romantic with a woman, does that make him a "woman hater" too?
Op I have no problems if you want to go your own way. Its not a bruise on my ego or anything. From reading this thread its probably best that you do. A lot of us on forum hold more favorable views of sex which is why your disgust of it confuses us. The feminist in that video are indeed radicals(although a lot of stuff they are saying has been taken out of context btw), but are balanced out by that fact that there also more prominent moderate feminist like Camila Paige. There seems to be no one on mgtow who holds more moderate views, the most prominent and beloved members that spew dribble like the one above. In fact when you type in mgtow on youtube, his videos are the first ones that pop up. Mgtow forums seem to be nothing more then a circle jerk of women bashing. I only found out mgtow today, and I am only making observation from what I have read on the internet or heard in youtube videos: these guys sound like women haters. Which makes me still wonder why do you want to associate with a group like that? If I wanted to go my own way the last thing I would want to do is align myself with a movement full of bitter women that rant about how terrible men are. So much negative energy.
Why did you post this video as an example of MGTOW woman bashing? It's just a guy explaining his take on how the dynamics of the dating market change as men and women get older.
Op I have no problems if you want to go your own way. Its not a bruise on my ego or anything. From reading this thread its probably best that you do. A lot of us on forum hold more favorable views of sex which is why your disgust of it confuses us.
Doesn't confuse me in the slightest. Saying you like sex is like saying you like eating, well do you like eating, or do you like what you eat? If you liked eating you'd sit there with a box of cardboard chips and chow down, if you like what you eat then if you've never found out what you like you're not going to enamored with the whole eating deal. In fact this is part of a claim made about men by certain feminist segments, that any sex is good sex, and that any sex is better than no sex. I don't know about you but I don't agree with that, and I'm hardly undersexed, and there's a small but not insignificant portion of my previous sexual history that is exceeded in pleasure by Palm and her five sisters. I don't know whether that says more about my self gratification mastery, or the poor performance of those sexual partners.
Furthermore in the current sexual dynamics men are not on an even footing, if there's a screw up they're on the hook. Who needs that kind of aggravation, if the sex they've been getting is only sub-average? Hey they're just taking the advice of feminists, which is if you don't want to be responsible for child support keep it in your pants, get a vasectomy, or use contraception (with associated failure risks).
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The feminist in that video are indeed radicals(although a lot of stuff they are saying has been taken out of context btw), but are balanced out by that fact that there also more prominent moderate feminist like Camila Paige. There seems to be no one on mgtow who holds more moderate views, the most prominent and beloved members that spew dribble like the one above. In fact when you type in mgtow on youtube, his videos are the first ones that pop up. Mgtow forums seem to be nothing more then a circle jerk of women bashing. I only found out mgtow today, and I am only making observation from what I have read on the internet or heard in youtube videos: these guys sound like women haters. Which makes me still wonder why do you want to associate with a group like that? If I wanted to go my own way the last thing I would want to do is align myself with a movement full of bitter women that rant about how terrible men are. So much negative energy.
Because you're not allowing for male communication methods. Men in general will only start making noises when they feel seriously aggrieved. If they're a little uncomfortable, they tend to keep quiet, or discuss with close friends. Someone who's a bit irritated isn't going to go and promote some new idea on YouTube because they're a little irritated (not most men). Some will make reference to similar themes in the form of discussions, they're not the one's on YouTube, but I've seen it becoming more common in the past year or so. However feminism has been going on for what? Probably since suffrage more or less; and it's had time to devolve into more and less radical elements.
Right now there is a section of the male population who feel seriously aggrieved and under represented, it's been on the cards for quite a while. Men universally will not get custody of their children unless the mother is a proven risk, because it's claimed women are better at parenting, do you see anything wrong with this claim, all women are better than all men by virtue of being women? Again with custody women are far more likely to deny visitation for any real or actual insult or action, holding the child to ransom without redress, if men try the same it can result in new custody hearings. Divorce can be terrible for men, it's been a standard tactic for lawyers of divorcing wives to file DVRO's against the husband (whether guilty or not) and make false claims, as it can improve their chances of winning better property division and benefits at the divorce (regardless of veracity of the claims). There's a whole bunch of legal actions that can only be taken by men against women if there is complete and substantiated evidence, that are taken by women solely on their claim. When there is an imbalance in equality, then either the imbalance is redressed (or you can tilt the balance further towards greater imbalance, resulting in oppression), or the area of that inequality will be avoided, you're just beginning to see those areas of inequality being avoided and reasons given.
One point I will make is that people shouldn't mistake this as a movement back to the "good ol' days" I'm mid 40's and I'm not old enough to remember the "good ol' days", as most of these men are younger than I, they have less chance of remembering them, maybe if they did they would feel less aggrieved.
Doesn't confuse me in the slightest. Saying you like sex is like saying you like eating, well do you like eating, or do you like what you eat? If you liked eating you'd sit there with a box of cardboard chips and chow down, if you like what you eat then if you've never found out what you like you're not going to enamored with the whole eating deal. In fact this is part of a claim made about men by certain feminist segments, that any sex is good sex, and that any sex is better than no sex. I don't know about you but I don't agree with that, and I'm hardly undersexed, and there's a small but not insignificant portion of my previous sexual history that is exceeded in pleasure by Palm and her five sisters. I don't know whether that says more about my self gratification mastery, or the poor performance of those sexual partners.
Furthermore in the current sexual dynamics men are not on an even footing, if there's a screw up they're on the hook. Who needs that kind of aggravation, if the sex they've been getting is only sub-average? Hey they're just taking the advice of feminists, which is if you don't want to be responsible for child support keep it in your pants, get a vasectomy, or use contraception (with associated failure risks).
Because you're not allowing for male communication methods. Men in general will only start making noises when they feel seriously aggrieved. If they're a little uncomfortable, they tend to keep quiet, or discuss with close friends. Someone who's a bit irritated isn't going to go and promote some new idea on YouTube because they're a little irritated (not most men). Some will make reference to similar themes in the form of discussions, they're not the one's on YouTube, but I've seen it becoming more common in the past year or so. However feminism has been going on for what? Probably since suffrage more or less; and it's had time to devolve into more and less radical elements.
Right now there is a section of the male population who feel seriously aggrieved and under represented, it's been on the cards for quite a while. Men universally will not get custody of their children unless the mother is a proven risk, because it's claimed women are better at parenting, do you see anything wrong with this claim, all women are better than all men by virtue of being women? Again with custody women are far more likely to deny visitation for any real or actual insult or action, holding the child to ransom without redress, if men try the same it can result in new custody hearings. Divorce can be terrible for men, it's been a standard tactic for lawyers of divorcing wives to file DVRO's against the husband (whether guilty or not) and make false claims, as it can improve their chances of winning better property division and benefits at the divorce (regardless of veracity of the claims). There's a whole bunch of legal actions that can only be taken by men against women if there is complete and substantiated evidence, that are taken by women solely on their claim. When there is an imbalance in equality, then either the imbalance is redressed (or you can tilt the balance further towards greater imbalance, resulting in oppression), or the area of that inequality will be avoided, you're just beginning to see those areas of inequality being avoided and reasons given.
One point I will make is that people shouldn't mistake this as a movement back to the "good ol' days" I'm mid 40's and I'm not old enough to remember the "good ol' days", as most of these men are younger than I, they have less chance of remembering them, maybe if they did they would feel less aggrieved.
I couldn't have said it any better if I tried. Give this man a prize.
The kid who started the OP has taken quite a lot of flak for it... and I'd just like to comment on that:
Putting on my Internet Psychologist hat (I'm not a psychologist... but I am married to one), fact is that lots of people with (for instance) autism spectrum disorders just don't like touching, certain smells, unusual noises, etc. Doesn't make them bad people- many are highly intelligent and very functional in society. Just makes them different (aka weird).
And aren't this kid's sexual preferences his own business? In this day and age? I mean, if here were telling ya'll that he preferred to put his junk in a man's stink hole... he'd be getting plenty of support. But since his particular preferences haven't had a decades-long PR campaign attached... the howler monkeys in here just can't accept his preferences.
The criticism he's receiving here is a pretty good demonstration of how much pressure men are under to conform. Sure it's OK to be gay (at the moment, in some circles)- but if a man's sexuality veers outside the traditional or the heavily campaigned... gawd help him.
And as for the women in this thread... looks to me like most have reacted negatively because they see this kid as devaluing their primary 'currency'. C'mon ladies- open your minds a bit. There's more value in you than just a vagina.
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The kid who started the OP has taken quite a lot of flak for it... and I'd just like to comment on that:
Putting on my Internet Psychologist hat (I'm not a psychologist... but I am married to one), fact is that lots of people with (for instance) autism spectrum disorders just don't like touching, certain smells, unusual noises, etc. Doesn't make them bad people- many are highly intelligent and very functional in society. Just makes them different (aka weird).
And aren't this kid's sexual preferences his own business? In this day and age? I mean, if here were telling ya'll that he preferred to put his junk in a man's stink hole... he'd be getting plenty of support. But since his particular preferences haven't had a decades-long PR campaign attached... the howler monkeys in here just can't accept his preferences.
The criticism he's receiving here is a pretty good demonstration of how much pressure men are under to conform. Sure it's OK to be gay (at the moment, in some circles)- but if a man's sexuality veers outside the traditional or the heavily campaigned... gawd help him.
And as for the women in this thread... looks to me like most have reacted negatively because they see this kid as devaluing their primary 'currency'. C'mon ladies- open your minds a bit. There's more value in you than just a vagina.
Well, some of this makes sense, I totally agree that someones preferences , or lack thereof, in sex, is completely OK, period. Its not the disdain for sex or because of any feelings that something about not desiring sex, is abnormal that draws any "disapproval" from me. Its the physical disgust, unto vomiting, that even the mere thought of contact with a woman brings, that causes my eyes to raise. Some of the things related were actually pretty scary.
That last line, is a thought that brought me up short , this morning. Early on in the thread, the OP had mentioned that a large portion of the time he saves disdaining a relationship, can be spent working on becoming a better writer. A writer of horror novels. Could it be, our aspiring writer is researching and building a character? Perhaps he's putting out parts of this characters personality, presented as his own, and observing general reaction? If so, that's actually pretty shrewd. A writer of horror would want readers to react with shock and disbelief to an evil character in a story. More the merrier. That's why people read horror stories. ,
An evil character, one who has a ...condition...causing him to react with pure, unfettered disgust, to the mere thought of a WO.and scent, would be a good place to build a very frightening story from. Move over Stephen King. Guaging peoples reactions to certain traits , unique to this character (call it a work in progress) would be a good way to predict how readers of this genre of literature will react to the story. Folks that read that kind of stuff want to be shocked, frightened, even sickened, by the story, and not much spooks people , more than a phsyco who has a problem with women. Makes for some really effective horror writing, to have a character built, that you just KNOW, people are going to react negatively to. In horror writing, the more negative, the better.
Right now there is a section of the male population who feel seriously aggrieved and under represented, it's been on the cards for quite a while. Men universally will not get custody of their children unless the mother is a proven risk, because it's claimed women are better at parenting, do you see anything wrong with this claim, all women are better than all men by virtue of being women? Again with custody women are far more likely to deny visitation for any real or actual insult or action, holding the child to ransom without redress, if men try the same it can result in new custody hearings. Divorce can be terrible for men, it's been a standard tactic for lawyers of divorcing wives to file DVRO's against the husband (whether guilty or not) and make false claims, as it can improve their chances of winning better property division and benefits at the divorce (regardless of veracity of the claims). There's a whole bunch of legal actions that can only be taken by men against women if there is complete and substantiated evidence, that are taken by women solely on their claim. When there is an imbalance in equality, then either the imbalance is redressed (or you can tilt the balance further towards greater imbalance, resulting in oppression), or the area of that inequality will be avoided, you're just beginning to see those areas of inequality being avoided and reasons given.
This.
In a world where women are innocent even if proven guilty and men are guilty even if proven innocent, men have a case for feeling aggrieved. To me, the MGTOW thing isn't surprising in and of itself, but rather that it isn't much more widespread. I am married, and happily so for the last 10 years, but outside the women in my family and colleagues once I have spent a year or so making sure I can make eye contact without being fired, I avoid women. On my bravest day I am extremely wary around women because as a man, I am guilty until proven innocent, and an accusation can come from across the street from a woman I don't even know, and the burden is all on me. When I am walking down a street, I stare at the ground when I pass by women because you never know when you'll run across Ms. Bad Hair Day who decides your neighborly smile/nod is a micro-aggression that made her feel unsafe, blah blah.
And I found out the hard way the last time I dated anyone before meeting my wife. Let a girl move in, gave her a key, blah blah. 18 months later, she's gotta go. Except...no, she isn't leaving she says. My name is only one on the mortgage, it's my house, etc...and yeah, I get told by my lawyer and the police that I should move out so she cannot just make stuff up that I will be arrested for (since they apparently see this all the time), and I can just wait out the official eviction process and hopefully homeowners will cover anything she breaks during the 90 days she got as an implied tenant. And she left on day 83, while I had to live on my sister's sofa. And how did the police come to tell me the options? Because she called the police to tell them I was being violent. I wasn't even there, and was down the street getting a blizzard at DQ. Came home and there they were, waiting to "investigate" my domestic abuse? So I had to leave my home to a psycho, had to be kept away based on her false accusation, and needed almost 3 months to get my life back...because a woman had a bad hair day.
If for any reason my wife was gone from my life, I am for sure going MGTOW. Not because I don't like women/sex/dating/romance, but because I am crap_your_pants scared that the wrong comment, facial expression, or whatever will wreck my life. The government and our society both going so far the other way with the pendulum has made it so not worth it to even try being friendly or sociable with women. It's one big minefield for men, and I can totally understand why MGTOW fellas say bag it to the whole thing. Is it wrong to assume every woman is a rent seeking, axe grinding grievance vampire? Sure, and not just a bit paranoid, I'll stipulate. But right now, in courtrooms all across America are dudes sitting as the defendant in some nonsense they didn't do who are wishing they had been as paranoid, if only...
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Could it be, our aspiring writer is researching and building a character? Perhaps he's putting out parts of this characters personality, presented as his own, and observing general reaction? If so, that's actually pretty shrewd. A writer of horror would want readers to react with shock and disbelief to an evil character in a story. More the merrier. That's why people read horror stories. ,