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Old 05-21-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I suppose as long as he is personally going to do it. Otherwise, he will need manpower and those people will need pay and logistic support. That takes money and that takes a congressional appropriation. Congress has not adequately funded immigration for decades because enforcement is not really desired by either side. Don't expect that to change.
I can see it now~~~ Okay Prez Trump~ How is this going to be funded logistically??? Oh wait~ I have a way~ Let "TRUMP Trains" + Trump Airplanes + the over worked ( who would do it pro-bono for Trump himself) ..There it is!! LOL

No way will Politicians back this " Executive Order" to get supported ( either side in a majority)..Maybe Trump's supporters will donate to Trumps Cause..call it a "Donation for the Nation" campaign and maybe get a Tax Credit or deduction for it
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Here
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I can see it now~~~ Okay Prez Trump~ How is this going to be funded logistically???
The annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level is about $113 billion! How do we fund that...EVERY YEAR????
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:57 PM
 
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CAUTION: Rant mode ON.

You know, I've been listening to this "jobs Americans won't do" nonsense for years now.

It's absolute drivel....the ultimate straw man argument.

Why? Because illegals aren't just fruit pickers and ditch diggers anymore and they haven't been for the last thirty years or so.

At one time, you could make this argument.....but that time has long since past.

Illegals have all but taken over the construction trades in many cities.
Go to just about any job site in many cities and take a look at the Carpenters, Roofers, Painters, Masons, Drywall and Concrete crews.

These are jobs that, at one time were the vocations of choice for many Americans who, either did not want to or could not afford to go to college. It was a way to still be paid a fair wage, raise a family and live the American dream.

Now.... They are almost all Hispanic workers.

And before you ask...."how do you know they're illegal"?

The answer is ....I work with them, I talk to them and I've even had some over for dinner.
They are no longer afraid to admit they're illegal, they come right out and tell you exactly why they are here, how they got here etc.

So, can we please finally dispel this myth once and for all?

Illegals are taking jobs that could be, should be and used to be done by American workers.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that is either grossly misinformed or intentionally being misleading to further an agenda.


Rant mode off





Yep, I live this every day.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Even those jobs less Americans want to do. The problem is more and more kids are going to college now and they have less desire to do those kinds of jobs anymore. It's not just those jobs either. Look at most fast food jobs now. They used to be a hub of teenage employment. Now the majority of employees in them are minorities.I mean I get what you are saying but the reality is still the same. These jobs are becoming less and less appealing to Americans as more of the youth enter the age that they can go into the work force. You can either go to college for 4 years and get an office job that pays you 45-50 with benefits to start or you can bust your ass for 12-13 bucks an hour to start. Just how many of the young adults you think are picking the latter these days?
They are picking the later because they feel like they have to, not necessarily because that's what they want.

Same thing can be said about manufacturing.

Everywhere they turn they are bombarded with the notion that they HAVE to go to college to make something of themselves.

It's become a self fulfilling prophecy.

But there's no reason that it has to be that way.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:02 PM
 
Location: North America
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Deporting illegals is just enforcing the law and doesn't require court approval.

BTW, we are deporting more illegals now than at any time in our history.
You don't understand the process then. Illegal aliens are entitled to the same constitutional protections as citizens. That's been case law in the U.S. for over 100 years. They have immigration courts for a reason.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Deporting illegals is just enforcing the law and doesn't require court approval.

BTW, we are deporting more illegals now than at any time in our history.


Through a revolving door.

And BTW....turning them away at the border doesn't count as deportation.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:08 PM
 
Location: North America
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They are picking the later because they feel like they have to, not necessarily because that's what they want.

Same thing can be said about manufacturing.

Everywhere they turn they are bombarded with the notion that they HAVE to go to college to make something of themselves.

It's become a self fulfilling prophecy.

But there's no reason that it has to be that way.
To a degree that has truth to it. It's also the way we were raised as well. Kids today have far more comforts than in the past and it's harder to get them to essentially down size from that when they get out of high school. It's also likely why it's more common for my generation to take longer to leave the nest. As a whole we are less confident to go out from the comfort of our homes and want to be better prepared when we do. That mentality makes menial labor jobs far less appealing than they were in the past. Added to the fact that people marry later and men are not getting jobs to take care of their families anymore and you have even less motivation to get those jobs.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level is about $113 billion! How do we fund that...EVERY YEAR????
That is all funny money. To save it you have to fire 25% of the school teachers and 20% of the police dept etc. And you can't replace anyone who is deported...because the costs will go up if you replace the illegals with legals.

For instance almost in any of these big estimates they have the cost of educating the legal children of the illegals. But they are all American citizens who will almost certainly return to the US poorly equipped to do well but fully able to ride the welfare system. Likely costs will far exceed having properly educated and integrated them. And pretty quick those returned and unprepared citizens will begin replicating...

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Old 05-21-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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Trump recognizes the need for legitimate worker visa situations
you won't see him deport LEGAL foreigners here to pick crops.
He wants to deport the do-nothings and criminals and he's the
only one who will make a difference.
Since The Donald won't be involved in the day to day activities of those charged with deporting all thses people you nor me have any idea as to what lawful or unlawful acts that will occur. I can't imagine how such a programs as Trump has embraced can or will work with out massive abuses of the Constitutional rights of "suspected" improper immigrants be they be illegal or just the wrong color. That in and of itself is deeply problematic.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Missoula, Mt
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If Trump becomes president, and he deports all the illegals, who is going to do the jobs they were doing? Americans don't really like farming, and bust your ass type jobs. We would have to find a way to pay Americans +$20/hr to butcher chickens, pick strawberries, assemble widgets, and perform other tedious, boring, repetitive in nature jobs. Or, just continue sending all our jobs to slave wage nations, and teaching Americans that welfare is an acceptable alternative to work.

How would that all work out? It's much easier to collect welfare than it is to devote your life to menial labor. And we are fast becoming a welfare nation. Some would say we are there already. And I don't think many Americans are going to like paying more for just about everything we buy.

I would rather see the illegals booted out, and companies forced to pay livable wages once more. But, I don't think everyone would be so happy about the outcome.
For the majority of America's history, we had tons of people who were willing to do those types of jobs. In fact, they used to pay enough (and other expenses were lower) for a man to work a job like that and support a family.

It's completely false to say Americans won't do those jobs. I've known people who have done farming, butchering, and construction - both adults and students. They may have to pay a little bit more, but the costs to the consumer won't be much, and it will make our society better. There are tons of Americans out of work (much more than the "official" unemployment numbers indicate). If anything, we need this to happen so wages can increase naturally a little bit for those Americans who are in the country legally.
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