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We've had this conversation on here recently, so I'll just repeat what I said:
Yes, they are a very wealthy state, but the problem, and you failed to mention it, is that 27% of the population, about 9 million people, are struggling in the state. If you're going to tout the good stuff, you need to talk about the bad stuff. Nine million people in ONE state is a LOT of people NOT doing well. For them, CA doesn't feel prosperous at. all.
That still doesn't bode well for the "liberal policies don't work" mantra conservatives like to spout. I guess instead the conservative mantra should be "liberal policies do work, but they could even better with some conservative principles thrown in there." Good luck trying to get any conservative to actually admit that.
Heh. Last night, 8:30 or so, the moon was rising over San Pedro Harbor and I and a couple of shipmates were furling the inner jib on the bowsprit of this beaut:
And that's when the First Mate asked "Are you happy with your life choices?". Yeah. Yeah, we were.
I could have a much larger house in Tennessee. I don't care.
For whatever reason, I've always wanted a sailboat. When I was reading about them several years back, a couple quotes stood out to me.
First, "The two best days in any sailors life, is the day he buys his boat, and the day he sells it".
Second, "If it flies, floats, or 'has sex', it's cheaper to rent it".
Sailboats are incredibly expensive not only to buy, but to maintain, and transport, among other things. Most yacht owners, spend thousands, or tens of thousands every year to own their boat, which they rarely have the time to use.
There are certainly a lot of things to do in California, but that is mainly only if you have money. The only thing you get to enjoy if you're poor, is the good weather.
Most of the "working class" have been driven out of California, and replaced by foreign immigrants. The poor hang around for the welfare benefits. The rich are having a great time at everyone else's expense.
You live in MA, you probably have never even stepped foot in CA.
Can't escape the cities? I can drive about an hour and be out up in the moutains and you would think no oned live here. So much for not escaping the city. There are parts of CA where you drive and drive and see nothing but land and very few other cars. In other words you don't know what you're talking about.
CA is a very large state, MA is the size of a postage stamp, and quite frankly the people are in general pretty rude.
An uberlib politics? You're in MA!
Been there...twice. Enough for me. I'm actually pretty well traveled.
And I was referring to escaping from the state, Einstein. Try having a business in one of the major Kalifornia cities and living in another state. Good luck with that. I can keep my business, and still easily live in another state...in my case, NH. Less than an hours drive.
And no kidding, I'm fully aware that MA is full of libs. One reason I like NH, far less liberal, more libertarian state.
You have reading comprehension issues I see. The most liberal putrid rag out there calls it "man made". If they didn't believe it, they wouldn't print it...it's the SFGate so don't even try to sell that crap about "it was written by 3 Conservatives". The SFGate is so damn liberal, they won't include things if they don't want to...stop pretending.
I'm not just talking about Southern CA...geeezus, it's not all about Southern CA, ffs. There's many other parts to the state...specifically ones that are trying to provide you food.
I was going to offer you the steps on why a lack of rainfall happens, but you know what, it's 4th grade science. VERY basic. If you need to go purchase a 4th grade science book on weather, please do so. In the meantime, you're going to have to do better than say "It's propaganda". That doesn't refute a single thing that was written by people who know more than you about this issue.
Don't you read what you cite? The three Republican Congressman signed the opinion piece. It is common for even liberal newspapers to allow major local political figures to present their views.
And here is the view of a nearby Democrat...
But Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Napa, said Tuesday that "this piece of legislation has nothing to do with water; it has nothing to do with public policy. It has everything to do with politics."
And no facts. All propaganda. And they really claim no facts. They simply blame it on existing law and want to change that law to tilt toward economic rather than environmental outcome. Moonbeam and the CA legislature are of course strongly opposed to the legislation which actually has no chance of becoming enacted.
I'm a middle to the right of the road individual. And I really don't understand why California is prospering. Especially with all the left's imposed taxes and regulations. I just don't get it. Though I must admit I have to give credit where credit is due.
Congratulations California!!!
Is California prospering? Depends on who you talk to, I guess. Ask the fruit farmers or other farmers who have been shut off from their water supply.
How about the $500K plus price of a very modest home in Southern CA (San Diego County) which is a track home built in the 70's that sold for $21,500. We're not talking a luxury home here. I know, because that is where we lived. We bought our home new in 1972, a 2BR 2Bath home tract home. Food prices, gas prices, utilities ... all through the roof. I don't call that "prospering."
Restrictions on water usage; my brother-in-law tells me he was fined for collecting water in a barrel for the garden!
It's not prosperous like it once was.
I guess if "prospering" is a constant struggle to keep up with the high taxes, high cost of energy, housing, utilities, etc and hope you never lose your job, then I guess they're 'prospering.' Not for me. I would never go back there again, and neither would my wife, a San Diego native. It's really sad what has happened to CA.
Proof that tens of millions of people with no or terrible health care coverage doesnt affect life expectancy in the US?
Think for yourself, what is killing people? The two major causes of death in the United States, are cancer and heart disease. But if you look at the cancer survival rates in America, for almost every type of cancer, they are much higher than in Europe.
The argument made by leftists, is that hundreds of thousands of people die every year because we don't have adequate early-cancer screening. But then why are American cancer survival rates higher than countries with socialized medicine?
As for heart disease, that is mainly because Americans are a bunch of fatties who eat bad food. If we ate more like the Japanese, our obesity rate would be more like theirs, and our life-expectancy would be higher.
Most of the people who don't have healthcare, are people who don't find it important. The reason they had to create a "healthcare mandate", was because the vast-majority of the people who were uninsured, wouldn't voluntarily buy health-insurance, even if it was cheap.
And a significant portion of the uninsured, are young people, especially young men. Which is why Obama and company had to lobby so hard to get the young to sign up for Obamacare.
The truth is, if you're a man, in 95% of cases, you could go from age 15 to 50, requiring nothing more than antibiotics. And a scrip of generic antibiotics at Walmart is like $8. The problem is, people often spend hundreds going to the emergency room to get the prescription.
For young women, the main issue seems to be urinary-tract infections, and pregnancy. Part of the urinary-tract infection problem, is because they don't drink any water. Every time my sister gets one, the doctor yells at her about drinking water, and she never learns, she likes the soda too much.
As for pregnancy, there is medicaid. Though I do think that far too much money is spent on pregnancy than is necessary, but everyone freaks out when it comes to kids.
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You have reading comprehension issues I see. The most liberal putrid rag out there calls it "man made". If they didn't believe it, they wouldn't print it...it's the SFGate so don't even try to sell that crap about "it was written by 3 Conservatives". The SFGate is so damn liberal, they won't include things if they don't want to...stop pretending.
I'm not just talking about Southern CA...geeezus, it's not all about Southern CA, ffs. There's many other parts to the state...specifically ones that are trying to provide you food.
I was going to offer you the steps on why a lack of rainfall happens, but you know what, it's 4th grade science. VERY basic. If you need to go purchase a 4th grade science book on weather, please do so. In the meantime, you're going to have to do better than say "It's propaganda". That doesn't refute a single thing that was written by people who know more than you about this issue.
The SF Gate article was an opinion piece and labeled as such.. Papers publish opinion pieces that they are not endorsing. I have not idea where the SF Gate editors stand on the issue, but article you linked was an opinion from Republican Congressmen.
"Middle to the right", what does that mean? Be specific? Do you support a national health care system like every developed country in the world has, including America's closest allies? Or do you think of that as "evil socialism" (whatever that means).
Do you believe in public funding of elections so anyone can run for office without having to beg the rich and the powerful for money?
"Every developed country in the world" does not have the freedom we have, and they pay a very high price for those socialist ideas. We are supposed to be a free country, with limited government, which is government by consent of the governed (though this idea has been undermined considerably by "progressives" since the early 20th century).
Obviously, you don't see the loss of freedom (socialism) as evil. Would you like to take a look at Venezuela? Is that what you want for America? Wait in long lines for what little is left on the grocery store shelves? Because that's where we're headed. It has been capitalism that has made us the "land of plenty." That isn't going to last as long as we keep pursuing socialism. You can only take money out of the pockets of those who produce for so long before there is nothing left to take from them. Eventually, the well runs dry.
"Public funding of elections?" Really? who's going to decide who gets what and how much? And where does that money come from? Taxes, of course!
Bernie Sanders is talking about having college education paid for by taxpayers! Why the hell should I pay for the education of YOUR kids? They aren't learning anything now! For cryin' out loud, many don't even know who we fought in WWII, or who we fought in the Revolutionary War! They don't know what the Civil war was about either!
Socialism is great. Yeah. They decide what your kids are to be taught, and you'd better not buck the system or someone like Loretta Lynch will have you arrested!
What do you think it was our founders fought for?
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Do you support that every worker gets at least 2 weeks of vacation per year (America has the lowest average vacation time of any industrialized country in the world)?
They pay a high price for that too, and nearly everyone is "on holiday" at the same time of year. They don't get a choice of when to take their vacation (this I know too, having experience in international sales, with Reps all over the globe. Everybody shut down at once for "holiday.")
I certainly misjudged you. With your talk of anarchy, I thought your were some pock-faced kid living in his parents mobile home in Oklahoma or something.
Los Angeles...the only dream I ever had in life was to live in that city. Phoenix was as close as I could afford.
The congestion in LA makes it unbearable, unless you like spending several hours each day commuting (waiting in bumper-to-bumper traffic). Yeah, I've driven the 405 during rush hour many times. It isn't fun. And San Diego is getting to be almost as bad.
I think Boneyard and No_Recess hit the nail on the head.
Location, location, location.
It isn't what it used to be. It's more congested now than it ever was, and it was bad before. And those cute little beach cottages are unaffordable (if they haven't been replaced by high-rise or condo's) to anyone but the rich. People like my wife and I, who lived half block from the beach (Windansea, mind you) in the 70's don't live on the beach anymore. Only the rich do. So sad.
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