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View Poll Results: Do you support two weeks of mandatory vacation for all full-time workers in the US?
Yes 112 52.83%
No 100 47.17%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-24-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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There you go again, twisting my words. I never said I was "against the concept of treating employees well."

I said I am against government mandating how PRIVATE BUSINESSES compensate their employees.

Child labor laws is a straw man argument, since child labor laws have been enacted since 1916, there is no point in arguing the issue. I will say that I am against the government mandating that children under 14 are not allowed to work in family businesses like farming or restaurants.

Ford implemented the 40 hour work week without being mandated. AS IT SHOULD BE.

If a six week vacation becomes the norm in the US, GREAT. If that is due to government mandate, then we should just go back to calling this place the British Colonies.
Child labor or exploitation of children was forbidden by law. Years later it seems normal not to exploit children. Henry Ford was very much like me, but not all employers are like that. The 40 hour work week was eventually mandated.

Once time passes by the six week vacation will seem to be quite normal.
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Old 06-24-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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2 weeks paid vacation is great, but it is not enough. I say an extra 4 weeks unpaid vacation for everyone FT or PT.
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Old 06-24-2016, 06:47 PM
 
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2 weeks paid vacation is great, but it is not enough. I say an extra 4 weeks unpaid vacation for everyone FT or PT.
Unpaid????

The six week vacation is part of the compensation package. Conservatives are blinded by ideology.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:21 PM
 
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Child labor laws actually are very bad for our country and working class people specifically. There is nothing wrong with children working and in many cases it's much better than the alternative. Throughout history children have worked and contributed to their improved family living standard.
Kids need to be in school, not in sweatshops.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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All well and good.

The question is, should it be MANDATORY, NOT what you got when you worked.
Well, I thought my post was obvious...YES
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:26 PM
 
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Kids need to be in school, not in sweatshops.
This is one one of our posters wrote.



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Child labor laws actually are very bad for our country and working class people specifically. There is nothing wrong with children working and in many cases it's much better than the alternative. Throughout history children have worked and contributed to their improved family living standard.
That is why it needs to be a law.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:13 AM
 
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Unpaid????

The six week vacation is part of the compensation package. Conservatives are blinded by ideology.
And you still ignore math.

Why not just say 10 months paid vacation? If you don't think that's possible, please explain why not.

Your ignorance keeps you from understanding that the cost of labor isn't some arbitrary number.

When you make a product, you have all sorts of expenses. Some of these expenses include:
Materials
Insurance
Facility
Utilities
Marketing
Taxes
Labor

The combined expenses must be lower than what the product is sold. They know how much they can pay for labor and that labor is actual production time. When you reduce actual production time, even if pay remains the same, the cost of labor increases. If you force companies to give more paid vacation time, they will just reduce pay in order to maintain labor costs.
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:19 AM
 
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And you still ignore math.

Why not just say 10 months paid vacation? If you don't think that's possible, please explain why not.

Your ignorance keeps you from understanding that the cost of labor isn't some arbitrary number.

When you make a product, you have all sorts of expenses. Some of these expenses include:
Materials
Insurance
Facility
Utilities
Marketing
Taxes
Labor

The combined expenses must be lower than what the product is sold. They know how much they can pay for labor and that labor is actual production time. When you reduce actual production time, even if pay remains the same, the cost of labor increases. If you force companies to give more paid vacation time, they will just reduce pay in order to maintain labor costs.

Then you of course have no problem with companies outsourcing labor since that would also make their margins better. Which on this forum would label you a globalist. Or you could go the route of nationalism which by definition would mean big government preventing that. Of course that means you are stifling completion which means you are anti-capitalism which would label you a socialist.
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Old 06-25-2016, 03:02 AM
 
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Then you of course have no problem with companies outsourcing labor since that would also make their margins better. Which on this forum would label you a globalist. Or you could go the route of nationalism which by definition would mean big government preventing that. Of course that means you are stifling completion which means you are anti-capitalism which would label you a socialist.
What does the fact that you can't pay $20 to produce something and sell it for $15 and stay in business have to do with being a globalist?

It's math not politics.
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Old 06-25-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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And you still ignore math.

Why not just say 10 months paid vacation? If you don't think that's possible, please explain why not.

Your ignorance keeps you from understanding that the cost of labor isn't some arbitrary number.

When you make a product, you have all sorts of expenses. Some of these expenses include:
Materials
Insurance
Facility
Utilities
Marketing
Taxes
Labor

The combined expenses must be lower than what the product is sold. They know how much they can pay for labor and that labor is actual production time. When you reduce actual production time, even if pay remains the same, the cost of labor increases. If you force companies to give more paid vacation time, they will just reduce pay in order to maintain labor costs.
Pedro:

I expect every private employer to make a profit. You are correct, the expense of manufacturing is as you explained above.

The sales price minus all the expenses = profit. Nobody expects the employer to sell at a loss.

The issue is: How to maximize the profit------------------ and the profit is reduced by the cost of labor. One way to maximize profit is to pay less for labor. In other words give the worker less than the product of his work. The moment a worker receives compensation that is less than his productivity that worker is partly a slave. In other words, the worker's effort and his willingness to donate part of that effort for nothing maximizes the profit of the employer.

When the worker has no leverage the worker lowers his value on a voluntary basis. And if the employer wants to increase the profit even more he can hire migrant workers, manufacture overseas, or even better------ use automation. To be honest I don't understand why Blue Collar Republicans are against migration and exporting job overseas. Do they even know that the Republican elite class wants to maximize profits in this manner?

In any event, this activity is generally associated with some form of exploitation that varies according to the demand for the product and how much GREED is present in management.

The only solution to this form of exploitation is to have 100% automation and simply pay a salary to ALL citizens without demanding labor in return. And that is what the future looks like.

BTW, if you are the employer you are also exploited by those that sell YOU materials and machinery.
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