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Old 09-14-2016, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Houston
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When that was the goal it wasn't a bad thing.
The goal has never been to provide jobs. The goal has always been to increase shareholder wealth.

There are a few closely held corporations that behave differently, but most stockholders want a return on their investment.
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Old 09-14-2016, 10:29 PM
 
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The goal has never been to provide jobs. The goal has always been to increase shareholder wealth.
That's simply not true. Investors once knew that without jobs there is no wealth. There is a reason Henry Ford increased his workers pay. He knew his product was worthless with no one being able afford it.

People can't afford a new truck working at a call center trying to pawn off worthless warranties.

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There are a few closely held corporations that behave differently, but most stockholders want a return on their investment.
Running off the jobs is going to be a very short term gain.
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Old 09-14-2016, 10:32 PM
 
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That's simply not true. Investors once knew that without jobs there is no wealth. There is a reason Henry Ford increased his workers pay. He knew his product was worthless with no one being able afford it.

People can't afford a new truck working at a call center trying to pawn off worthless warranties.



Running off the jobs is going to be a very short term gain.
Ford increased his pay because it was cheaper than all the hiring and training. That work was extremely demanding. As a bonus it allowed the workers to buy the product but that was just a bonus not the actual cause.
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Old 09-14-2016, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Trump, who made some of his own stuff overseas.

Trump’s ‘Made in the USA’ Spin





Not his trade deals.


Not his stifling industry regulation.


Not his corporate marginal tax rate structure.


Not his idea to force US workers to compete with third world peasants.




Take it up with Clinton.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDuMUgt-og





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcz4CX0h7A
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:08 PM
 
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Ford increased his pay because it was cheaper than all the hiring and training.
He wanted his employees to be able to afford his product.

From his own book.

"The owner, the employees and the buying public are all one and the same and unless an industry can so manage itself to keep wages high and prices low it destroys itself, for otherwise it limits its number of customers. Ones own employees should be ones own best customers".

I've seen fools argue that if this was a legit reason then Boeing should pay enough to buy a jetliner. Hogwash. Boeing only has to sell a few jets. Ford had to sell thousands of cars.

He realized by cutting hours from 60 to 40 and the higher pay would also mean a higher retention but all of it is moot without customers able to buy your product.

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That work was extremely demanding. As a bonus it allowed the workers to buy the product but that was just a bonus not the actual cause.
Having people being able to actually afford your product is not just a bonus. It's everything.

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Old 09-14-2016, 11:17 PM
 
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Ford confirms small car production moving from US to Mexico - KTAR.com

...the company expects to make higher profits because of the lower wages in Mexico.
So, these vehicles will now cost less? They should, but we know they won't. I say we boycott anything and everything FORD, hit them in the pocketbook.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:20 PM
 
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Where is Trump style leadership of America First.
US needs Trump!
At least if they duck costs by moving we can charge a fee per car to come in, but they save on the rest of the world still.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:20 PM
 
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The goal has never been to provide jobs. The goal has always been to increase shareholder wealth.

There are a few closely held corporations that behave differently, but most stockholders want a return on their investment.

As they should, btw.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Oh a President TRUMP won't let that happen, right??!!!!!
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:24 PM
 
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Ford increased his pay because it was cheaper than all the hiring and training. That work was extremely demanding. As a bonus it allowed the workers to buy the product but that was just a bonus not the actual cause.

Bingo, and study him well, as the rules imposed on those workers extended to every personal facet of their life, in an unprecedented way.
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