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Old 11-30-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Okay. No issues for me then.
Well, awesome! Ready for a drink, then? I'm pretty sure it's beer-thirty somewhere.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Well, awesome! Ready for a drink, then? I'm pretty sure it's beer-thirty somewhere.
Morning for me, so maybe just water.

I have to say, several posters here are good debater. You are one of them.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:43 AM
 
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Morning for me, so maybe just water.

I have to say, several posters here are good debater. You are one of them.
Thank you! That makes me very happy.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Trump is right.

Texas vs. Johnson (1989) was a 4-5 ruling.

We can appoint originalist justices who will permit
local ordinances and state laws against American flag burning.

Desecration of a national treasure is not "free speech".
Just like it wasn't protected until a controversial ruling in 1989,
we don't have to let that ruling keep it legal.

Make America Great Again.
I look at it the same way the Left looks at "hate speech" or their favorite example: "yelling fire in a crowded theater".


There are some things that the first amendment just shouldn't cover and flag burning is one of them.

Do it in front of some people and you're risking your own physical well being.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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I look at it the same way the Left looks at "hate speech" or their favorite example: "yelling fire in a crowded theater".


There are some things that the first amendment just shouldn't cover and flag burning is one of them.

Do it in front of some people and you're risking your own physical well being.
And so far, you can't be jailed for "hate speech," as long as your actions *end* with speech. This is as it should be.

What, exactly, are you suggesting the first amendment exclude?
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:11 AM
 
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I look at it the same way the Left looks at "hate speech" or their favorite example: "yelling fire in a crowded theater".


There are some things that the first amendment just shouldn't cover and flag burning is one of them.

Do it in front of some people and you're risking your own physical well being.
Not really. Those who say this have no desire to see the inside of a jail cell.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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"just throw the constitution out the window,"

Dramatize much?

IMO, it is NOT in the Constitution.

MOST decisions by the SC are NOT liked buy a LOT of people.

Decisions made years in the past have been overturned years later.

IMO, the courts decision is WRONG.

As many have said, "Words have meaning".

speech


/spēCH/


noun

  • 1. the expression of or the ability to express thoughts and feelings by articulate sounds: "he was born deaf and without the power of speech" synonyms: speaking, talking, verbal expression, verbal communication.
To say an action, in this case burning the flag, is an "expression of freedom of speech" goes against what the word "SPEECH" is. defined as.

Burning is an ACTION and NOT SPEECH. Period.

The Constitution says NOTHING about "freedom of expression."

It is a made up term by the court.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

The SC, NOT the writers, have "interpreted" what the 1st Amendment ACTUALLY says.

Courts CAN be WRONG.

A person would NOT be charged with assault if they slandered you.

A person would NOT be charged with slander if they assaulted you physically.

We have different AND specific laws that deal with slander and assault and CANNOT be used interchangeably.

A question for YOU,

IF trump appoints , some say 4, judges to the SC and they CHANGE the ruling will you be OK with it and support it?


I am not a lawyer and have never acted as one in a movie or a TV show.

Everyone is entitled to their OWN opinion and this is MINE.
Yes, I will support the decisions of the SCOTUS, whoever serves on it, as to do otherwise is to deny the system of government our founders created and what the nation was built on. They created 3 equal but separate bodies. The SCOTUS's only function is to rule on the constitutionality of laws and dictates passed by the legislature or the executive. They determine what is and what is not constitutional. If we fail to accept their decisions as final and absolute, until changed by constitutional process, the entire underpinnings of the nation will collapse. You, nor any other citizen, are not remotely qualified to determine what is constitutional or not. The way our system is set up, if Trump chose Pee Wee Herman and Howdy Doody to the SCOTUS we the people would have to accept the decisions they made concerning constitutional law.
Likewise if the electoral college chooses a New York snake oil salesman and narcissistic blowhard, loose cannon, the people must accept him as president.
To believe in America, you must believe in the system our founders created. Once we don't, the nation is lost.

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Old 11-30-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Don't burn the Quran.. or you will be killed. So much for freedoms.

Burning the Quran Is No Childish Game | The Huffington Post
Simple minded thoughts from simple minded people.

Clue: It wouldn't be the American government doing the killing. Burning the Koran is protected speech in America. I would have thought you'd know that simple truth.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:36 AM
 
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You sit here and argue nationalism to me, a concept that is at odds with the founding basis of this country. You defy the very concept of why we are free and ignore these basic principals to promote worship of objects while at the same time demanding adherence to action which defies the very thing you claim to support by your flag worship.

You point to objects and symbols and act as is if this defines you, when it is your actions that define you and one is a hypocrite if they demand servitude to an object as it means they have no concept or clue as to what this country is, they are merely ignorant aggressors urinating on the very "symbol" they claim to adore.
"You sit here and argue nationalism to me,"

I am NOT arguing anything.

I am having a discussion.

You posted your opinion and I posted mine.

"You point to objects and symbols and act as is if this defines you,"

Quit making assumptions.

"they are merely ignorant aggressors urinating on the very "symbol" they claim to adore."

This is why we can't have meaningful discussions.

People like you make accusations and juvenile name calling just because someone has a different opinion then yours.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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You do understand that the exercise of free speech includes free speech that you may find disrespectful or even offensive?????
That's the point of it all. In fact the free speech that is protected most of all by the 1st amendment is the speech that no one wants to hear. The repulsive things said against leadership or other races. It is the vile and offensive speech that is the most protected by the 1st amendment.
For as soon as we start legislating away the speech we don't want to hear or participate in, you take away an inalienable right of the citizen to loudly protest the actions of government or groups. Only oppressors ban things they find offensive.
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