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If they can not establish their position by the scientific method, then they have none and we are back to faith in the word.
For someone claiming to not be taking part in the thread, this was a pretty long post you made. However the simple fact is that the one not using the scientific method is you. You have for example not offered a SHRED of scientific basis for declaring homosexuality a "mental illness". What you HAVE done is shown your bias by bemoaning the reasons it was taken off the list of such illnesses, while withholding that very same argument for bemoaning why it was present on that list in the first place. The mask for some people does not take long to slip it seems.
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I refuse to discuss with these people, they hate Christians and they are upset that I claim homosexuality to be a mental illness.
Inventing an imputing emotions that are not there is not likely to rebut things that are said, or make them go away. The simple fact is I, for one, am not "upset" by anything you have said. I do not need to be upset in order to simply point out your errors and fallacies and internal incoherencies and contradictions.
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There is no argument, only anger and every point I prove of theirs invalid, the more angry they get until this turns into a locked thread, so do as you will...
Yet not only is there no anger in my posts, you have absolutely and utterly failed to show a SINGLE point of mine to be invalid. Let alone "every point". Perhaps you can make the attempt to do so next time your pretense to not be taking part in the thread slips, and you get around to replying to my previous post.
The Bible is not the word of God. Its man's manipulation and interpretation of God's word. And that, my friend, is a FACT.
Exactly.
God didn't write the Bible. A lot of different people, mostly men, did. Hence all that nonsense about how women need to be subservient to men.
The Bible was pulled together from a lot of different writings that were discovered over the years. Some writings were included. Others left out. Then it was translated time and again. There have been endless arguments over the meanings of certain words.
Folks then take vague phrases and twist them to suit their own purposes.
For example, "Spare the rod. Spoil the child." How many have used this to justify physical punishment?
But think for a minute. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me."
Who the hell would be comforted by being beaten with a rod? That doesn't even make sense.
Rods and staffs are used as canes and by shepherds who would use them to gently guide their sheep in the direction they want them to go. They don't beat them with these sturdy sticks. That would be a fiasco.
I grew up on a farm. You start beating the sheep and they would run madly this way and that, bleating and getting everyone in a turmoil. Any shepherd who beat his sheep with his rod and staff would be spending a good bit of his time rounding up sheep. You wouldn't be in the shepherd business very long if you beat the sheep.
Thus the logical meaning of "your rod and your staff, they comfort me" is that one is comforted by knowing they can lean on God and count on Him to gently guide them along.
Thus "Spare the rod. Spoil the child." most likely means that parents need to invest the time and energy in gently guiding/nudging children along in the right direction, otherwise they will end up spoiled.
Given all that Jesus taught about loving one another, and "Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." ... In your wildest imagination, there is just no way to come up with Jesus encouraging parents to beat their children with thick sticks.
And where homosexuality is mentioned? Its been known in scholarly circles for years that the original word in the original language of the Bible did not mean what we think of as homosexuality today.
There is a fairly convincing argument to be made that the sin of the Sodomites was not homosexuality but poor hospitality.
I've always loved the story of the Good Samaritan.
There have always been parents who have had a fit about accepting certain things about their children.
A Catholic child marrying someone of the Jewish faith can give both sides conniption fits.
Ditto when a black child marries a white one.
Or when your child choses another of the same sex to build a life with.
The argument is always about troubled times ahead. I understand that. One of my sisters married an alcoholic. We all tried to talk her out of it, but she wouldn't listen. We loved her anyway, but were heartbroken at the hard life she had because of this.
Being homosexual is not a choice. It's who they are. I would no more turn my back on my child for being gay, than I would for being short or ...
That said, my heart would still hurt for a while. But I would take a good hard look at my religious believes if it meant turning my heart against my child.
Nope. Please don't play the dumbass "are you saying...?" game as a vehicle to make it look as though I said something other than what I did. It's an immature and tiresome old trick.
Oh, and don't send me nasty insults under the guise of a rep comment. Do it again and you will be reported.
I usually copy and paste those comments right into the thread and answer them publicly.
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The Bible is not the word of God. Its man's manipulation and interpretation of God's word. And that, my friend, is a FACT.
I usually copy and paste those comments right into the thread and answer them publicly.
