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Old 03-17-2017, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust View Post
I hate it when people say "they voted for him, they deserve it" -- I don't enjoy others suffering, especially if it's feasibly preventable.
Agreed. I actually feel sorry for Trump voters.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: California
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Agreed. I actually feel sorry for Trump voters.
You should feel sorry for Americans, nobody is doing the right thing for anyone.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Left coast
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What did we do before "glorious" socialism -and- "health insurance"?

There were private hospitals and clinics, many operated by charitable organizations.
Not only did they offer "free" care (charity wards), but they had paying customers, too.

And the cost was FAR LESS, due to the lack of "takers" lined up to skim from the patient and the physician.

BEFORE GLORIOUS SOCIALISM (pre-1933)
. . .
1930 example
http://www.fchp.org/blog/posts/Hospi...from-1930.aspx
In 1930, $66 bought a mom in Kansas a 10-day hospital stay and delivery of her new baby.
($4/day for the room)
. . .
LA:
Verdugo Views: There was a time when a hospital stay cost $4 a day - LA Times
($4/day for the room in a ward. A front corner room went for $10 per day.)
. . .
AFTER THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION
Average Cost Per Inpatient Day Across 50 States in 2010
Hospital bed cost per day
United States
• State/local government hospitals — $1,625
• Non-profit hospitals — $2,025
• For-profit hospitals — $1,629

COST INCREASE : 40,725% increase ($1,629/$4)
($1,629/$4 = 407.25 X 100 = 40725%)
(Somebody has to pay for all the bureaucracy, paper work, clerks, adjusters, investigators, supervisors, guys in clown suits, etc, etc.)

This is the result of government meddling in medicine for over 120 years.


Poster, you do know that obstetrics has come along way since 1930 right?

(I have personal experience with a very competently done, medically necessary, C section- and it cost me $0 through my employer provided health insurance)...

also note that the for profit hospital chains are mainly in southern, non unionized labor markets, and the main cost (fairly I might add) in healthcare is the workers - while the medicare premiums paid to the hospitals remain the same (hence the predominance of for profit hospitals in cheap labor markets)-

I would say CAPITALISM is alive and well in our health insurance industry today-- and to the detriment of the PEOPLE involved. (patients and workers).
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
What did we do before "glorious" socialism -and- "health insurance"?

There were private hospitals and clinics, many operated by charitable organizations.
Not only did they offer "free" care (charity wards), but they had paying customers, too.

And the cost was FAR LESS, due to the lack of "takers" lined up to skim from the patient and the physician.

BEFORE GLORIOUS SOCIALISM (pre-1933)
. . .
1930 example
http://www.fchp.org/blog/posts/Hospi...from-1930.aspx
In 1930, $66 bought a mom in Kansas a 10-day hospital stay and delivery of her new baby.
($4/day for the room)
. . .
LA:
Verdugo Views: There was a time when a hospital stay cost $4 a day - LA Times
($4/day for the room in a ward. A front corner room went for $10 per day.)
. . .
AFTER THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION
Average Cost Per Inpatient Day Across 50 States in 2010
Hospital bed cost per day
United States
• State/local government hospitals — $1,625
• Non-profit hospitals — $2,025
• For-profit hospitals — $1,629

COST INCREASE : 40,725% increase ($1,629/$4)
($1,629/$4 = 407.25 X 100 = 40725%)
(Somebody has to pay for all the bureaucracy, paper work, clerks, adjusters, investigators, supervisors, guys in clown suits, etc, etc.)

This is the result of government meddling in medicine for over 120 years.
I am obviously talking about acute medical/surgical emergencies, where the patient is to be taken to the CLOSEST ER.

So your answer won't hold water in our real world.

And you didn't answer my question about me desiring to buy HC insurance for me and my family.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Well, under the new plan insurance companies will be able to charge you 5 times as much as Obamacare cost.
Older will 5X the cost of younger premiums. Vs 3X in Obamacare.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
http://www.fchp.org/blog/posts/Hospi...from-1930.aspx
In 1930, $66 bought a mom in Kansas a 10-day hospital stay and delivery of her new baby.
($4/day for the room)
And the price of a 1935 Chevy Standard, brand new, was $465 Not to mention in terms of what could be done for you in a hospital at that time you were probably just as well off to stay home unless you were recovering from surgery.
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Verdugo Views: There was a time when a hospital stay cost $4 a day - LA Times ($4/day for the room in a ward. A front corner room went for $10 per day.)
. . .
And tuition at Harvard was $420 a year
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
AFTER THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION
• State/local government hospitals — $1,625
• Non-profit hospitals — $2,025
• For-profit hospitals — $1,629
COST INCREASE : 40,725% increase ($1,629/$4)
($1,629/$4 = 407.25 X 100 = 40725%) (Somebody has to pay for all the bureaucracy, paper work, clerks, adjusters, investigators, supervisors, guys in clown suits, etc, etc.)
This is the result of government meddling in medicine for over 120 years.
No, that is a result of the absolute idiocy of thinking that a 'fee for service' model in healthcare will ever serve anyone well other than hospitals and insurance companies- that's quite the opposite of socialism
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I went to the Doctor today and asked him what he thought of "Trumpcare" he said; along with the application for your HSA they should send you two envelopes, one containing two aspirin in case you get sick, and the other with hemlock in case the aspirin doesn't work.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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So, tell me how the Republicans undermined the implementation. Be specific.
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That's totally absurd, of course it does.

How could the CBO have predicted that the GOP would undermine it's implementation?



I don't care about what light they are being cast in. This is a weak argument,basically an ad hominem.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:03 PM
 
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New reports Friday afternoon specify that the House has made 2 tweaks to TrumpCare.

1) tax credits will increase for older people.
2) states will be allowed to add work requirements for able bodied adults on Medicaid

Not sure of the finer details for these changes.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:06 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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New reports Friday afternoon specify that the House has made 2 tweaks to TrumpCare.

1) tax credits will increase for older people.
2) states will be allowed to add work requirements for able bodied adults on Medicaid

Not sure of the finer details for these changes.
That looks like good tweaks. . It's like welfare reform under Bill Clinton.
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