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Old 03-15-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
So 64-year-olds who can't get insurance is a situation you can live with?
Yeah.

I walk by homeless people all the time knowing they will die, a situation I live with just fine.

Somewhere in the world, there are millions of kids dying of malnutrition, a situation I live with just fine.

I made peace that I'm here on this rock for myself and my family.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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Yeah.

I walk by homeless people all the time knowing they will die, a situation I live with just fine.

Somewhere in the world, there are millions of kids dying of malnutrition, a situation I live with just fine.

I made peace that I'm here on this rock for myself and my family.
Too many with that attitude is why we will move in a more socialist direction. If Trump blows this, that is it, done, and you will be paying for a lot more than old peoples Medicaid, and losing freedoms you now take for granted.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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Yeah.

I walk by homeless people all the time knowing they will die, a situation I live with just fine.

Somewhere in the world, there are millions of kids dying of malnutrition, a situation I live with just fine.

I made peace that I'm here on this rock for myself and my family.
I could never be like you.

I cannot solve the problems of the world, but I can try to make it a better place. And that means caring about my fellow man. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

I would also point out that government exists to protect and care for its citizens.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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Too many with that attitude is why we will move in a more socialist direction. If Trump blows this, that is it, done, and you will be paying for a lot more than old peoples Medicaid, and losing freedoms you now take for granted.
To me it sounds like blackmail.

It reminds me of the homeless people who first beg and then curse when you waive them away. So much entitlement, and this is why I hate to give my tax dollars because you people are truly not grateful, you feel entitled.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:29 PM
 
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Just to be clear, as the comedy show writer's tweet intentionally leaves this out, it is projections for 2026.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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Show me where anyone gets health insurance for $1700. It certainly isn't under Obamacare. Sure that isn't per month? That I might believe.

In any case until the final plan is approved, all the talk is meaningless.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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Show me where anyone gets health insurance for $1700. It certainly isn't under Obamacare. Sure that isn't per month? That I might believe.

In any case until the final plan is approved, all the tall is meaningless.
The ones receiving enormous subsidies are. The taxpayers are on the hook for those subsidies.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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And they researched this and outlined how it will occur? Are they using a crystal ball, what? Apparently you read it so why cant you just answer my questions?

People act as though before Obamacare there were literally no one that had health insurance paid for by employers or private policy, no medicaid or medicare coverage or no state health care programs and people were actually dying in the streets. I have also asked several time what the catalyst was the sparked Nancy Peolsi's effort to draft the ACA? And of course gotten no response. If there was a crisis I apparently missed it.

Everyone paying a premium has seen their cost skyrocket under Obamacare. Yet it was promised everyone would have coverage, everyone could get affordable coverage, everyone could keep their provider, everyone could keep their physician.
There IS a crisis.

The US economy is like a pie. It is not infinite. It has limits. Different sectors of the economy get slices of the pie. The more resources the sector uses, the bigger the slice. A healthy economy has a lot of different sectors getting slices of the pie. As some sectors take bigger and bigger slices, that leaves fewer resources for the other sectors, and the fewer resources there are, the less growth you get. New businesses can't get started. Older businesses can't expand. It's a less healthy economy.

When other governments around the world started capping healthcare costs, they did so to limit the resources that healthcare and insurance could take out of those countries' economies. The United States didn't do anything to harness costs, and so, to protect their profits, the global healthcare and insurance companies raised the prices in the United States to make up for the shortfalls in other countries. We subsidized healthcare and insurance for the rest of the world.

Now, baby boomers are starting to retire, and they are reaching the point in their lives when their dependence on healthcare is growing exponentially. That means that healthcare demand is going to grow tremendously, and in terms of the economy, healthcare is going to be consuming a greater and greater portion of the pie/resources. Which means less and less for other parts of the economy. At some point, it consumes so much that the rest of our economy stagnates as it struggles to get enough resources to survive. The pie is not infinite. It can grow, but there are limits on the growth.

Healthcare costs are going to break our economy if they can't be controlled and reduced. That was the nature of the crisis that Obama faced, that's the crisis we still face. Because Obamacare was a baby-step to trying to control costs. It did little, except it gave people who were poor or who had pre-existing conditions a chance to tackle health problems when they were minor and inexpensive to deal with rather than wait and deal with major and expensive problems later on.

The Republican proposed plan does even less to deal with the actual crisis. It gives the people who least need the tax breaks the biggest windfalls, and will push more people into poverty. Even abject poverty. Which will strain our resources even more. Twenty years from now, we'll look back at the Great Recession fondly.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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I can't wait to see what the new website will look like and function once it is passed. We all know how that worked the last time.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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This is real freedom right there for the elderly. According to the CBO, headed by a republican, a 64-year old has to pay $14 600 for insurance under Trumpcare. Today, he or she pays $1700 on average. The young healthy generations are compelled to subsidize the elderly under the current mandate system. Thats what insurance is. The healthy subsidize the sick. Just like the drivers with no accidents subsidize the ones who do get into accidents.

Trumpcare would devastate rural, elderly America. Thats freedom right there.

https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/841405527116656640
May I ask the question:


Are the coverages the same?
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