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The sad reality is Democrats don't write enough... even when they see in the media that info has told them that Russians used public forms to push the Right Wing message, and still Democrats don't write. I've shared commentary with many people and tried to urge them to write, and they do absolutely nothing. The sadder this is even though many republican know they are wrong, they will side up with each other because it makes a group, where as the Democrats are too passive, as well as the Democratic party. They should be out canvasing this nation getting their message out.
Trump beat them, because he was on that plane everyday pushing his message. Even though it was divisive and basically anti-american, and whining and desecrating everything about America... the people who fell in behind him, were the type to follow who 'shows up in their areas"... if people have a "bad message brought to them, vs No Message, they are going to choose the bad message.
What really gets me... is far too many democratic people make everything more important than having a voice and then they sit on their arse when it time to vote. They don't get on these forums and talk about issue, they won't even get on and endorse issue, they will tell you they believe is true in conversation as if that is suppose to spread the world.
I won't change my values from being of care about what benefits the people of this nation and I will not support programming by Republican who's only message is, cut this or that, take this or that from the people, don't give the people fair pay, and I can't stand that every republican Administration is obsessed with giving the wealthy a tax break.
Over the few yrs I've posted on here, not one of the people I share it will, has posted one word to stand against the Right Wing Madness.
I certainly respect the Democratic minds that do get on here and speak, and take the time to state their views and show their respect for Diplomacy with our global nations, to support programming with "our" American Tax Dollars to help and assist American people. and to address the needs for better care for our young people and their education and certainly to care for the elderly.
Here we are facing a Regime that has the evil madness to cut Medicare to give money to the wealthy and not even the Right winger will speak against it. They would cut their own throats for party and for the madness of their evil to detest seeing anyone other than themselves get assistance.
Its a given FACT that the greatest volume of users of Public Services is Right Wingers, but they have allowed the bought and paid for politicians sell them out, and they act oblivious to reality.
They have amassed themselves to be and remain being exactly what LBJ said;
Quote:
I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
Lyndon B. Johnson
Too many democratic people, both black and white act like they are still under Jim Crow oppression's, where whites were afraid to speak out for fear of reprisals against them for standing up for diversity, and too many minorities who still act like they have to hide their voice, the same as was done during Jim Crow Era. The average Asian is not going to say anything, but ride the coattails of advances that others who fill the streets in protest achieve, and there are other immigrant groups who still hold to silence, but enjoy the benefit that were won of social and civic integrity during the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
I respect the Democratic white minds and the few minorities who get on here an stand up for Justices, Democracy, Diversity, and Respect for the Constitution and the support of a Multicultural society.
It's disenchanting to know minorities both professional, semi-professional and general working society, and even the non working minorities, who say absolutely nothing. The sadder things it is some of those who sit back and don't even vote. They sat silent after President Obama said. "it will take the help of everyone", they sat on their arse and let him get attacked by Right Wingers of every type, all behind their racism, and still the people sat on their arse and some even had the audacity to want to make critique about Obama because he did not create some biased programming. When President Obama said clearly, that he support All Americans. There is no way he could have got up and said.. he was making "specifically black promotion programs'... the Right Winger whites would have gone crazy !!!!! yet the same right winger whites want to say.. See, he did not do anything for black people".. and they use that as if one would use child psychology of reverse madness, just to support their racism, when they knew if he's said... he was going to promote black university and pump monies to help inner city blacks... the working poor and dire poor white would have raised more hell, than they raised about "affirmative actions programs"... they would have raised hell if he had said anything that he was going to do that specifically helped blacks rise up from the decades upon decades of denials and discrimination having been suffered from the long period of segregation.
Program Cuts will hurt whites 7:1 more than it will hurt blacks, beause more white people are on programming. I see them at the stores with the EBT an using other programming. I don't resent them for doing so, I feel as much compassion for them, as I do for minorities.. But whether they are right wing or democratic, I fell compassion for their needs and concerns as to utilizing public assistance.
Sadly, there are some Right Wingers who have sufficient income, who denigrate the poor whites, whether they are democratic poor whites or republican poor whites. And the sad thing in all that, is the poor whites will still side with the Right Winger, when they know they are cutting off their own assistance, yet some get on here and get caught up in the Right Winger hatred..... It's like during Jim Crow, a great many whites fell in the "get caught up in the madness", because they did not want to be known as being poor and in need of the same benefits they complained that minorities used, and many were fearful of "white right wingers" who would attack them and call them "lovers of black people', so they tried to hide in the background.
Black people sit silent while they see a whole generation of young racist white kids on college campuses pushing the same hate their parents taught them, and the same hate their parents pushed, and still they don't flood these website and express their views about 'Public Respect, Democratic Values, Diversity in American and the Respect of America's Multicultural foundations.
There are others both black and white, who sit silent while the Right Wing Evangelical push a racist based religious ideology, which is the same racism they pushed in Churches across american in support of Jim Crow Segregation... still people sit silent and won't call them on their abuse of even the use of God, to twist and contort to promote their racism and bigotry.
I keep writing because I refuse to be so callous and passive... and sit silent while people promote madness for the sake of promoting their hate....and I see such ones who will cut their own feet, to keep from supporting honorable things that promote the dignity and unity of society.
JFK said:
Quote:
I believe in an America that is on the march — an America respected by all nations, friends and foes alike — an America that is moving, doing, working, trying — a strong America in a world of peace. That peace must be based on world law and world order, on the mutual respect of all nations for the rights and powers of others and on a world economy in which no nation lacks the ability to provide a decent standard of living for all of its people.
~
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke
JFK said:
Quote:
“And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity.”
“In the final analysis,” he continued, “our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal.”
~
“We are confronted primarily with a moral issue. It is as old as the Scriptures and is as clear as the American Constitution,” Kennedy said. “The heart of the question is whether all Americans are to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities, whether we are going to treat our fellow Americans as we want to be treated.”
~
Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality."— John F. Kennedy
Sadly too many Democratic minded people are too caught up in their small circle of vanity as well as self consumption of thinking they have it made, with a new car, some labels of their clothes and bling in public image ego quest, and they become Politically Passive.... while the Right Wings circle the wagons of discord around them and attack them from every angle... and still they sit quite and go silent. We saw in the last Election.. many sit on their arse as if voting was the responsibility of others, but not themselves.
We had others, who did not pay attention to truths, and allowed the gaming of distraction bring them to stand against their own principles, by their silence and not voting.
We watched Bernie Sanders, who gather the young voice, and got caught in his own ego, and did not turn his people to Support the Democratic Nominee and allowed the Republican Trump to pit him against Hillary even after she had the Nomination, and cost many not to vote, or to purposefully throw their vote away. They gave the election to Trump, by their own passive stand and being gullible to fall for the drama and madness. Many sit silent even during the gaming about Benghazi as a precursor to Republican games to turn people against their own Candidate, even after people found out it was Republican Responsibility to provide more security, they sit passive and gullible and allowed the Right wing to turn them against their own awareness of truth.
I certainly wrote many post about it, they not only would not write, they would not even endorse the commentary, and many won't even share the fact that forums like this exist to promote each other to share commentary. While they see everyday, the uniformed and vile of Right Wingers gather each other to come to these forums and spread their hate filled madness.
I've sent out 100's of mails, I don't need to be patronized by simple one liner responses, it is far better that individuals become "self motivated to write and support their own belief", if it inspires them to do so, that is the aim of the sharing , it to inspire them to take up a voice and express it. Still ... they do absolutely nothing.
Until they learn, that in today's society, forums such as this is were people are building grass-root connections, they will be lost and behind and sit silent because Right wingers use this tool, to promote messages of division, hate and their detesting stand against diversity and multiculturalism.
The even sadder part is I have made effort by directly asking people to 'share post" or share their thoughts and many don't even acknowledge they received the messages.. But they will rush to post picture on facebook and share any pointless chatter on such forms, but they don't gather a thought, that their voice matters in various forums, including facebook or any others, to speak up about the madness they see.
They watch Trump flip one lie after the next, and violate every ethic that exist, and propose aims that will damage the future of their own kids, and still they sit silent. some of them are aging more every day, as Trump plans to cut things that will make hardship on them in later years and still they sit silent and passive and refuse to speak up even in web forums. It's purely insidious.
Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality."— John F. Kennedy
Democratic senators sit and do nothing as to getting out among the people but the people don't urge them to get out, and let them sit around playing "politically correct" do nothing, and they even watch the media pivot and covertly back the madness that Trump promotes, and still they don't even speak up against the media giving this stuff a pass.
All they are interested in is sitting back pretending to be anonymously silent, while the platform of justice and diversity is being taken from under them. Even if they read, they won't follow a like, because it takes more than 20 seconds, and they have to get back to their own vanity and thus have no time, when everything political impacts their lives in ways they allow it to pass, and when trapped under the oppression when they can do nothing after they let it get establish.. They grip and wine and then fall in line to their own pending ultimate destitution based on the policies their silence let come to pass.
There is not one American that should be sitting silent when the revealation of even the recent act by Don Trump Jr. has made it OVERTLY clear that Russian collusion has promoted a man in office that is dismantling American for the sake of his own greed and the greed of the wealthy who hide in the backgrounds and support anything he does for their benefit of self enrichment.
The people of the past, stood up, spoke up and move their voice forward and many today enjoy the benefits of the gains of the Civil Right Passage, and they have become so passive as if they got it made, when they see right wing hate, bigotry and bias trying by every means to promote anything that takes civic liberties away from them... and they sit silent thinking they've got it made, while the future of their own children is being made difficult.
It's Insane!!!!!!!!!! Everyone is too busy with their own spins to realize they are tossing away a future that many fought for over many decades... and we now have a society of people choosing passivity white the Right Wing amasses themselves against everything that supports diversity and democracy for All people.
What does it take to awaken people... is it only when they can't get a new car, or a designer label of go to some comercially promoted eatery ... while all the time, the money is being stripped away from public education and university is made unaffordable to your kids and this Administration had one nothing but find more ways to make it even more difficult for the poor whites and minorities to educate their kids.
This needs follow up, because those who would like to bury it so that others cannot view and thing are many on here continuing to come with drama. there are many handles showing up, that are rarely seen? One has to wonder if they are among the collective of Covert Operatives who continually push the divisive agenda of self defeat to American's by pushing denial of Facts, that have been stated over and over by our own Multi-Billion Dollar Operations known as our Intelligence Agencies. These agencies are not some fly by the minute pop up organizations. They are the Organization that Gather the Intelligence to Keep us Safe, but they also gather information that help us as a nation build better diplomacy around the world.
Don't get lost in the dribble, as some of that repetitious dribble of bringing up Obama or Bringing up Clinton, is of no point other than to Bury the Post, they can't stand to see visible. Realize how the game of those who seek to distort American Truth is played, then you become wise enough to use the "quote section" to extract points as well as to link to subject material that stays on the point and into the details that are relevant to promoting truths and understandings for the better unity of the people who support and promote the Democratic Truths of our Constitution, and support the Diversity of Our Nation, and promotes the care and consideration of our American Population and protect the benefits and services that "our" tax dollars are paid to support of and for our American society, as well as the good we do around the world.
Do Not get Distract, continue to expose their game of deceit, deception, disruption, denial, hatred, bigotry, racism and other madness. We have a positive future to build... stay focused on it.
Do not shy away from discussing historical truths of how and what divided us, bring it into the open, it is not pleasant and it is not sweet to the minds taste, but truths help us learn better to face truths, that we can repair damages from the past and build a better American for the Future.
Realize, there are people who don't want that to happen... Thus so.. be determined to push the truth forward.
Last edited by Chance and Change; 07-14-2017 at 06:31 PM..
Why can't anyone from the left address, much less answer, the question, WHY was she ALLOWED to be here in the first place, being what the left says are her closeness to the Russian govt, if meeting with her was such a bad idea?
WHY did Lynch PERSONALLY intervene and get her a special VISA if she is a Russian operative?
It's already cited in the article. Try reading. Comprehending takes additional skill- but most of us can muster through it, lol.
Deflect, deflect, deflect.. Love the lame excuses to defend such an idiot president that can't tell the truth and his 'inner circle' of family morons..
The sad reality is Democrats don't write enough... even when they see in the media that info has told them that Russians used public forms to push the Right Wing message, and still Democrats don't write. I've shared commentary with many people and tried to urge them to write, and they do absolutely nothing. The sadder this is even though many republican know they are wrong, they will side up with each other because it makes a group, where as the Democrats are too passive, as well as the Democratic party. They should be out canvasing this nation getting their message out.
Trump beat them, because he was on that plane everyday pushing his message. Even though it was divisive and basically anti-american, and whining and desecrating everything about America... the people who fell in behind him, were the type to follow who 'shows up in their areas"... if people have a "bad message brought to them, vs No Message, they are going to choose the bad message.
What really gets me... is far too many democratic people make everything more important than having a voice and then they sit on their arse when it time to vote. They don't get on these forums and talk about issue, they won't even get on and endorse issue, they will tell you they believe is true in conversation as if that is suppose to spread the world.
I won't change my values from being of care about what benefits the people of this nation and I will not support programming by Republican who's only message is, cut this or that, take this or that from the people, don't give the people fair pay, and I can't stand that every republican Adminstration is obsessed with giving the wealthy a tax break.
Over the few yrs I've posted on here, not one of the people I share it will, has posted one word to stand against the Right Wing Madness.
I certainly respect the Democratic minds that do get on here and speak, and take the time to state their views and show their respect for Diplomacy with our global nations, to support programming with "our" American Tax Dollars to help and assist American people. and to address the needs for better care for our young people and their education and certainly to care for the elderly.
Here we are facing a Regime that has the evil madness to cut Medicare to give money to the wealthy and not even the Right winger will speak against it. They would cut their own throats for party and for the madness of their evil to detest seeing anyone other than themselves get assistance.
Its a given FACT that the greatest volume of users of Public Services is Right Wingers, but they have allowed the bought and paid for politicians sell them out, and they act oblivious to reality.
They have amassed themselves to be and remain being exactly what LBJ said;
Too many democratic people, both black and white act like they are still under Jim Crow oppression's, where whites were afraid to speak out for fear of reprisals against them for standing up for diversity, and too many minorities who still act like they have to hide their voice, the same as was done during Jim Crow Era. The average Asian is not going to say anything, but ride the coattails of advances that others who fill the streets in protest achieve, and there are other immigrant groups who still hold to silence, but enjoy the benefit that were won of social and civic integrity during the passage of the Civil Rights Act.
I respect the Democratic white minds and the few minorities who get on here an stand up for Justices, Democracy, Diversity, and Respect for the Constitution and the support of a Multicultural society.
It's disenchanting to know minorities both professional, semi-professional and general working society, and even the non working minorities, who say absolutely nothing. The sadder things it is some of those who sit back and don't even vote. They sat silent after President Obama said. "it will take the help of everyone", they sat on their arse and let him get attacked by Right Wingers of every type, all behind their racism, and still the people sat on their arse and some even had the audacity to want to make critique about Obama because he did not create some biased programming. When President Obama said clearly, that he support All Americans. There is no way he could have got up and said.. he was making "specifically black promotion programs'... the Right Winger whites would have gone crazy !!!!! yet the same right winger whites want to say.. See, he did not do anything for black people".. and they use that as if one would use child psychology of reverse madness, just to support their racism, when they knew if he's said... he was going to promote black university and pump monies to help inner city blacks... the working poor and dire poor white would have raised more hell, than they raised about "affirmative actions programs"... they would have raised hell if he had said anything that he was going to do that specifically helped blacks rise up from the decades upon decades of denials and discrimination having been suffered from the long period of segregation.
Program Cuts will hurt whites 7:1 more than it will hurt blacks, beause more white people are on programming. I see them at the stores with the EBT an using other programming. I don't resent them for doing so, I feel as much compassion for them, as I do for minorities.. But whether they are right wing or democratic, I fell compassion for their needs and concerns as to utilizing public assistance.
Sadly, there are some Right Wingers who have sufficient income, who denigrate the poor whites, whether they are democratic poor whites or republican poor whites. And the sad thing in all that, is the poor whites will still side with the Right Winger, when they know they are cutting off their own assistance, yet some get on here and get caught up in the Right Winger hatred..... It's like during Jim Crow, a great many whites fell in the "get caught up in the madness", because they did not want to be known as being poor and in need of the same benefits they complained that minorities used, and many were fearful of "white right wingers" who would attack them and call them "lovers of black people', so they tried to hide in the background.
Black people sit silent while they see a whole generation of young racist white kids on college campuses pushing the same hate their parents taught them, and the same hate their parents pushed, and still they don't flood these website and express their views about 'Public Respect, Democratic Values, Diversity in American and the Respect of America's Multicultural foundations.
There are others both black and white, who sit silent while the Right Wing Evangelical push a racist based religious ideology, which is the same racism they pushed in Churches across american in support of Jim Crow Segregation... still people sit silent and won't call them on their abuse of even the use of God, to twist and contort to promote their racism and bigotry.
I keep writing because I refuse to be so callous and passive... and sit silent while people promote madness for the sake of promoting their hate....and I see such ones who will cut their own feet, to keep from supporting honorable things that promote the dignity and unity of society.
JFK said:
Quote:
I believe in an America that is on the march — an America respected by all nations, friends and foes alike — an America that is moving, doing, working, trying — a strong America in a world of peace. That peace must be based on world law and world order, on the mutual respect of all nations for the rights and powers of others and on a world economy in which no nation lacks the ability to provide a decent standard of living for all of its people.
~
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke
JFK said:
Quote:
“And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity.”
“In the final analysis,” he continued, “our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal.”
~
“We are confronted primarily with a moral issue. It is as old as the Scriptures and is as clear as the American Constitution,” Kennedy said. “The heart of the question is whether all Americans are to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities, whether we are going to treat our fellow Americans as we want to be treated.”
~
Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality."— John F. Kennedy
Sadly too many Democratic minded people are too caught up in their small circle of vanity as well as self consumption of thinking they have it made, with a new car, some labels of their clothes and bling in public image ego quest, and they become Politically Passive.... while the Right Wings circle the wagons of discord around them and attack them from every angle... and still they sit quite and go silent. We saw in the last Election.. many sit on their arse as if voting was the responsibility of others, but not themselves.
We had others, who did not pay attention to truths, and allowed the gaming of distraction bring them to stand against their own principles, by their silence and not voting.
We watched Bernie Sanders, who gather the young voice, and got caught in his own ego, and did not turn his people to Support the Democratic Nominee and allowed the Republican Trump to pit him against Hillary even after she had the Nomination, and cost many not to vote, or to purposefully throw their vote away. They gave the election to Trump, by their own passive stand and being gullible to fall for the drama and madness. Many sit silent even during the gaming about Benghazi as a precursor to Republican games to turn people against their own Candidate, even after people found out it was Republican Responsibility to provide more security, they sit passive and gullible and allowed the Right wing to turn them against their own awareness of truth.
I certainly wrote many post about it, they not only would not write, they would not even endorse the commentary, and many won't even share the fact that forums like this exist to promote each other to share commentary. While they see everyday, the uniformed and vile of Right Wingers gather each other to come to these forums and spread their hate filled madness.
I've sent out 100's of mails, I don't need to be patronized by simple one liner responses, it is far better that individuals become "self motivated to write and support their own belief", if it inspires them to do so, that is the aim of the sharing , it to inspire them to take up a voice and express it. Still ... they do absolutely nothing.
Until they learn, that in today's society, forums such as this is were people are building grass-root connections, they will be lost and behind and sit silent because Right wingers use this tool, to promote messages of division, hate and their detesting stand against diversity and multiculturalism.
The even sadder part is I have made effort by directly asking people to 'share post" or share their thoughts and many don't even acknowledge they received the messages.. But they will rush to post picture on facebook and share any pointless chatter on such forms, but they don't gather a thought, that their voice matters in various forums, including facebook or any others, to speak up about the madness they see.
They watch Trump flip one lie after the next, and violate every ethic that exist, and propose aims that will damage the future of their own kids, and still they sit silent. some of them are aging more every day, as Trump plans to cut things that will make hardship on them in later years and still they sit silent and passive and refuse to speak up even in web forums. It's purely insidious.
Quote:
Those who do nothing are inviting shame, as well as violence. Those who act boldly are recognizing right, as well as reality."— John F. Kennedy
Democratic senators sit and do nothing as to getting out among the people but the people don't urge them to get out, and let them sit around playing "politically correct" do nothing, and they even watch the media pivot and covertly back the madness that Trump promotes, and still they don't even speak up against the media giving this stuff a pass.
All they are interested in is sitting back pretending to be anonymously silent, while the platform of justice and diversity is being taken from under them. Even if they read, they won't follow a like, because it takes more than 20 seconds, and they have to get back to their own vanity and thus have no time, when everything political impacts their lives in ways they allow it to pass, and when trapped under the oppression when they can do nothing after they let it get establish.. They grip and wine and then fall in line to their own pending ultimate destitution based on the policies their silence let come to pass.
There is not one American that should be sitting silent when the revelation of even the recent act by Don Trump Jr. has made it OVERTLY clear that Russian collusion has promoted a man in office that is dismantling American for the sake of his own greed and the greed of the wealthy who hide in the backgrounds and support anything he does for their benefit of self enrichment.
The people of the past, stood up, spoke up and move their voice forward and many today enjoy the benefits of the gains of the Civil Right Passage, and they have become so passive as if they got it made, when they see right wing hate, bigotry and bias trying by every means to promote anything that takes civic liberties away from them... and they sit silent thinking they've got it made, while the future of their own children is being made difficult.
It's Insane!!!!!!!!!! Everyone is too busy with their own spins to realize they are tossing away a future that many fought for over many decades... and we now have a society of people choosing passivity white the Right Wing amasses themselves against everything that supports diversity and democracy for All people.
What does it take to awaken people... is it only when they can't get a new car, or a designer label of go to some commercially promoted eatery ... while all the time, the money is being stripped away from public education and university is made unaffordable to your kids and this Administration had one nothing but find more ways to make it even more difficult for the poor whites and minorities to educate their kids.
This needs follow up, because those who would like to bury it..... so that others cannot view and Others have an agenda of submitting the denial drama. There are many non frequent handles showing up, that are rarely seen?
One has to wonder if some of these people are among the collective of Covert Operatives who continually push the divisive agenda to promote self defeat to American's by pushing Denial of Facts.
REMEMBER, Much data has been seen stated over and over by various comments from our own Multi-Billion Dollar Operations known as our Intelligence Agencies, letting us know the collusive madness that stands against us. We need to heed their warnings... These agencies are not some fly by the minute pop up organizations. They are the Organization that Gather the Intelligence to Keep us Safe, but they also gather information that help us as a nation build better diplomacy around the world.
Don't get lost in the dribble, as some of that repetitious dribble of bringing up Obama or Bringing up Clinton, is of no point other than to Bury the Post, they can't stand to see visible. Realize how the game of those who seek to distort American Truth is played, then you become wise enough to use the "quote section" to extract points as well as to link to subject material that stays on the point and into the details that are relevant to promoting truths and understandings for the better unity of the people who support and promote the Democratic Truths of our Constitution, and support the Diversity of Our Nation, and promotes the care and consideration of our American Population and protect the benefits and services that "our" tax dollars are paid to support of and for our American society, as well as the good we do around the world.
Do Not get Distract, continue to expose their game of deceit, deception, disruption, denial, hatred, bigotry, racism and other madness. We have a positive future to build... stay focused on it.
Do not shy away from discussing historical truths of how and what divided us, bring it into the open, it is not pleasant and it is not sweet to the minds taste, but truths help us learn better to face truths, that we can repair damages from the past and build a better American for the Future.
Realize, there are people who don't want that to happen... Thus so.. be determined to push the truth forward.
Last edited by Chance and Change; 07-14-2017 at 06:37 PM..
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*Ahem!*
And let's be nice and specific about that case: this was an alleged $200M+ money laundering case involving a Russian oligarch (Prevezon). A case brought against the oligarch she was representing by US Attorney Preet Bharara. Trump fired Bharara, then his DoJ settled the case for less than $6M.
In maybe the strangest linkage involving this case, a key witness for the prosecution was thrown from a window about two weeks after Bharara was fired by Trump.
This is not a good bunch of people to be mixed up with.
Thank you for those details.
Yes, it was not just a federal case, it was an important one involving lots of money and Russians.
One reason she needed to be let into Country was to help ensure that the defendant couldn't claim a mistrial because their attorney couldn't provide counsel.
I have not researched the settlement versus the crime nor do I know the strength of the federal case, therefore cannot claim the $6 million settlement figure was unfair or biased.
I do know Preet Bharara is know as a highly respected enforcement prosecutor in difficult white collar crimes.
Breaking: Lynch Ordered Manafort’s Phone Tapped During Veselnitskaya Meeting
Oopsie
The source of this is a tweet
According to a tweet by former Massachusetts Trump campaign official James Brower and first reported by independent journalist and author Jack Posobiec, former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort's phone was tapped by former Attorney General Loretta Lynch during the now infamous meeting with Russian lawyer
Scoop: Manaforts phone was illegally bugged during meeting with Russian Lawyer, confirmed by multiple sources. Lynch ordered it.
3:28 PM - 14 Jul 2017
Comment: Not a credible story. However, since CNN stuck it's neck out they must have something to go on.
Problems with the story are:
1. Emails said only two other people besides Goldstone were coming. This would have been a third.
2. How could CNN's source have known this was a representative of the Russian Billionaire family unless the source was in meeting? Would guest log have said....?
3. Billionaire family denies entire story.
This said, logic holds something went wrong with the passing of information promised at the meeting.
1. The Russian attorney appears mystified but what went down. I also note she is the mother of four children and think she is not likely to be up to trouble.
2. If there was a third Russian present in the room, that third Russian may have been the person with the real dope.
3. Early emails promised the goods and what was in it for Goldstone? What purpose would he have to try and arrange meeting under false pretext?
Overall, doubt it.
It would be a good question to all 7 if there was an 8th person and who was that.
Last edited by pbmaise; 07-14-2017 at 06:16 PM..
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