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View Poll Results: Should a business be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner’s re
Yes 105 54.12%
No 80 41.24%
Not sure 9 4.64%
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Old 08-08-2017, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Once you operate a place of public accommodation, you are no longer permitted to discriminate against a protected class.
Okay, but what specifically distinguishes a place of public accommodation from my house?

(Also, I always laugh at "permitted", as if other people need to give you permission to do something that harms no one.)

 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Many businesses used to have a sign on the wall saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."
I believe in that right.
No more needs to be said.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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When you operate within the public sphere, you don't have a right to choose. If you do not offer your services to the general public then that's another matter.
Eliminate the "public sphere". That's the answer.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You have to further narrow this premise. In America, you are either a public entity or a privately owned entity. If you operate within the public (for the public) that means the general public at-large and you CAN NOT discriminate.

Now if you sold your wares in the back of your car or otherwise, not publicly that would be different.
Yeah, an armed agent of the State would put you in a cage if you did that.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:56 PM
 
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Okay, but what specifically distinguishes a place of public accommodation from my house?

(Also, I always laugh at "permitted", as if other people need to give you permission to do something that harms no one.)
Well, "no longer permitted" means that State and Federal anti-discrimination laws start to apply.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Absent things like Housing and emergent medical care..or Govt. funded services--I agree.
I'd like to eliminate the government and public services.

We could privatize everything.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:57 PM
 
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Eliminate the "public sphere". That's the answer.
Yes, we should disband society and each individual should grow vegetables in their back yard for consumption only. What a great idea. How didn't I think of that?
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes, we should disband society and each individual should grow vegetables in their back yard for consumption only. What a great idea. How didn't I think of that?
No, just privatize goods and services.

If there is a demand for it a willing supplier will emerge to benefit himself.
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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No, they don't.

And let's be real here. The newsworthy incidents have involved businesses whose owners have resisted being forced to compromise their religious views simply because certain members of activist groups smelled a Christian.

Give me a break.
Actually, it's the complete opposite. The Christian Right has raised hundreds of millions of dollars and is opening cases all over the country - heck, they sued our public school district over something a teacher said in Kindergarten.

One of Trumps new lawyers is one of those "Christians" who raises millions for his own "non-profit" which he then uses to pay himself and his family. Look it up.

These people have been sent out to "look for trouble" and have taken some of these cases all the way up to the SCOTUS.

And so...you seem to think that it's OK for Christians to spend 100's of millions to subvert our separation of church and state...but then whine when another groups opens a case? Wow. Are you used to no one fighting back?
 
Old 08-08-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Well, "no longer permitted" means that State and Federal anti-discrimination laws start to apply.
I think the law is irrelevant since the law can be wrong. You're right though, that's the reality right now, and I'm very much against it.
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